Is the Bible a reliable historical document?

- slightly off topic

So, what is the point of either the Bible or the Quran? Remittance or redemption is a goal to be accomplished from within each individual and judged by "The Creator" pursuant to everlasting life - neither book can accomplish what must be an "effort" by the individual than something read, or what would be the point in not just making people perfect in the first place.....Heaven is found not given.

 

can you explain me whats rubish in the Ayaat, would like to tell me, here the word "ain" refer to beach, river, see, etc. have you not seen the sunset? its look like the sun going under water... is in it? just google image of sunset.

and you have no right to say God words "Rubish" respect other religions and your own too

 

Hearsay words written by humans is not the "word of God" and you can twist the words of this sun going down thing that you are so focused on defending all you like, it does not change the fact that there are many so called scientific facts in the Quran that are purely speculation and some indeed not true.

For example the sun being made after plants.

How many plants have you seen that can grow without the sun?

 

Allah better know,

Quran is Words of ALlah, and Allah promised that no one can change a single word in till the world end

 

I see so how come it says in the quran

Are they then unaware that Allah knoweth that which they keep hidden and that which they proclaim? Among them are unlettered folk who know the Scripture not except from hearsay. They but guess. Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby. S. 2:77-79

That means those that write a book and claim it is from "Allah" have a bit of a problem. It says Woe unto them....

 

in this ayat Allah is refering to those non muslims who try to write their own Quran to show Muslims wrong way, but i already writen that Allah promised that no one can changed a single word of Quran till Judgment day. Thats why thousands of Muslims memorized Quran to save its original words

 

Convenient that isn't it LOL

So are you telling me that as the Quran says the sun was made after plants this is the word of Allah yes?

 

if it is written in Quran, then yes it is words of Allah..

Give me reference so i can read the whole context not only one ayaat, like jews and chiristan did to make fun of Muslims

 

You said you know it off by heart as nothing has changed one iota in 1400 years (though it wasn't until the Ummayad Caliphate the thing got written down) so you should already know where it says it!

 

I have not read such kind of ayaat yet what you mentioned, thats why i am asking about reference

 

Sounds like you have some reading to get back to then, you might also want to check the scientific facts in the Quran that state Allah created everything in pairs, as you may well find some science that disproves this scientific fact word of Allah that is so perfect that you have been brainwashed to believe.

BTW did you know Bhuddism used the repetition thing you guys use way b4 you did for your Quran? It's a famous way to afford brainwashing on a person/poeple.

 

Lolz,, its not brain wash its the faith, Islam is the religion of Faith, i think you know :-? other wise i have not seen God, but i belive He exist and one day we have to answer to him for our deeds,

thanks God i have fait in Allah and my religions belives are strong. not like others who can make God to the picture, stones etc

 

Its good that you have faith on your God but have you ever seen pic of Allah ?????????????????????? Is there mentioned in the holy books that how Allah is looking ????? You might be thinking that why I have used the word "is" coz I believe that god is always there. So have you ever heard how Allah is looking ????

 

Quran explain it very well
Quran 6:103 "No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision..."
Quran 24:35 "God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His light is as if there were a niche and within it a lamp: The lamp enclosed in glass: The glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! God doth guide whom He will to His light: God doth set forth parables for men: and God doth know all things."
Quran 112:4 "And there is none comparable to Allah"
{Allah is He besides Whom there is no god, the Everliving, the Self-subsisting by Whom all subsist; slumber does not overtake Him nor sleep; whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His; who is he that can intercede with Him but by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot comprehend anything out of His knowledge except what He pleases, His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth, and the preservation of them both tires Him not, and He is the Most High, the Great. (255)}(Quran, chapter 2, verse 255)

BTW your user name is Jackoob, is it came form Phrophet Yaqoob (R,A) ?

 

So you mean to say that god is every where even i had also said the same my question was have you ever seen your god's pic was he looking like a man or women how was he looking fair or black etc etc my question was this i know god is invisible but he always comes in some or other way.

 

Yeah Allah is every where

 

I think you dont understand what is my question I know god is everywhere BUT HAVE YOU EVER SAW HIS PICTURE HAVE YOU EVER IMAGINED HIM ???? i think you will understand this time

 

i think i already ans you that i have not seen but its my faith to believe on the presence on Allah every where.

Quran explain it very well
Quran 6:103 "No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision..."
Quran 24:35 "God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His light is as if there were a niche and within it a lamp: The lamp enclosed in glass: The glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed tree, an olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! God doth guide whom He will to His light: God doth set forth parables for men: and God doth know all things."
Quran 112:4 "And there is none comparable to Allah"
{Allah is He besides Whom there is no god, the Everliving, the Self-subsisting by Whom all subsist; slumber does not overtake Him nor sleep; whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His; who is he that can intercede with Him but by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot comprehend anything out of His knowledge except what He pleases, His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth, and the preservation of them both tires Him not, and He is the Most High, the Great. (255)}(Quran, chapter 2, verse 255)

 

Than you only posted this "Lolz,, its not brain wash its the faith, Islam is the religion of Faith, i think you know :-? other wise i have not seen God, but i belive He exist and one day we have to answer to him for our deeds,

thanks God i have fait in Allah and my religions belives are strong. not like others who can make God to the picture, stones etc"

Thats why I asked if you have seen your god pic, where as other see the pic and statue of stone and pray.

 

i said that time that other people make picture of God, like in Hindunism they have not seen their Gods but they has pictures, in front of pictures and stones they pray etc