high PR site but unrelated.

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    I am curious if I get a high PR one way link (5 or 6) from a site with very few outbound links, but it is unrelated to my niche will it harm or help?
     
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  2. selectsplat

    selectsplat Well-Known Member

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    It's not going to hurt, that's for sure.

    From the sounds of it, it will probably help significantly. It would help more if it were related, but in my experience, the difference is minimal.
     
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    but it will not matter much ... getting high PR from unrelevant sites can increase your PR but not traffic.
     
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    selectsplat Well-Known Member

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    Sure it can. PR is how google quantifies the quality and quantity of your backlinks. It uses PR to help determine your position in a SERP. The more linkjuice you receive from one way, do follow backlinks on pages with pagerank, the higher your position in a given SERP. Theoretically, the higher your position in a SERP, the more traffic you will receive.

    Of course, it still depends on the key phrases you optimized on, and the on page optimization you've done, but one way, do follow backlinks from pages with strong PR and few outbound links are absolutly crucial for competitive SERPs.
     
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    Yes there is no use of that link if site is unrelated.
     
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    Sure it does. It passes the same amount of linkjuice regardless of whether or not it is related.

    What it doesn't do is establish authority, which is why I said that it's not quite as strong as a RELEVANT one way backlink on a page with PR and low outbound links. Authority is one of the 200 or so factors that are used in determining SERP position, but it has much lower significance than pagerank does.
     
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    it won't harm your site at all.
    but it also won't help increase relevancy for your keywords. meaning - you're not going to see a great jump in rankings for your keywords.
     
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    try searching for same niche sites, it will be more helpful
     
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    Partially correct.

    First of all, relevancy is mostly determined by on page factors, such as having content that is actually about the key phrase you're trying to rank well for. Off page factors can help, such as having links from relevant sites, but not as much as on page factors do.

    Second, while this sort of link won't increase your relevancy for you keywords, it will increase your PR. And rankings are determined with both relevancy and PR and taken into consideration. Thus, if you increase your PR, you can also increase your rankings. Just like if you increase your relevancy, you can increase your rankings. But you don't have to have them both with every single backlink for those backlinks to help. Sure, the best backlinks will come from pages that are relevant AND that have pagerank (and that have no other outbound links, and that have alot of traffic... etc ad nauseum), but if you come accross an opportunity for a backlink that has strong PR and few outbound links, take it, no matter how relevant the page is.
     
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    1. You don't know Google's algorithms and how many or which factors they use to calculate their SERPs
    2. You don't know how much a ranking factor has more or less weight placement

    A while back, Matt Cutts from Google analyzed a website that had hundreds of irrelevant links and showed in a conference that only a handful actually passed any link juice at all.

    I feel like chasing after high PR sites is losing its value. Getting links that are relevant to your main keywords is so much more important to getting a high ranking as Google is constantly trying to get better and better relevant results for their users.

    But I do agree that if a page has a high PR and is relevant to your niche, a link from that page is very valuable.
     
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    1. The 200 or so factors comes directly from Matt Cutts, and is a well known fact.
    http://www.google.com/search?q=goog...&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___US345

    2. Through my own experience and professional optimization efforts, I find that pagerank still significantly outweighs off page relevancy.

    Pagerank has lost some of it's value for sure. It used to be the #1 single most important factor, above everything else. Now I put it around 10th, with on page factors, including on page relevancy becoming much more important over the last couple of years. But it's still very important. As I said, IMO, significantly more important than the relevancy of backlinks.

    The question here was if an unrelated link with strong PR would help or hurt. My answer would that it would probably help a lot, but it would be better if it were related.
    Some here said it wouldn't help at all. My responses were meant to contradict that opinion.
     
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    It could help your ranking but not as much as the more relevancy does. The too much off topic inbound link may harm you if your link profile has not balanced. Does it make sense to get link from site about dog while your site is about register domain name? See?
     
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    #13
    It will only increase you PR but ranking on the keywords may not.
     
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    The theory says it can't harm but it may not help much either. It can't harm because otherwise your competition could create unrelated links to your site, which you can't prevent and this way you would be punished for something you haven't done.

    Anyway I think that Google knows very well if sites are related or not and even high PR may not help as much as desired. Also a backlink has to be a Dofollow one, otherwise it doesn't count.
     
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    If the niches of both your site and that high pr site is like east and west then it would be meaningless to get a link.
     
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    give me some tips for blog commenting,as i want approved 25 comments a day.
     
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    There will be just a little bit of help from this website into your website because this website have not from your niche which is the important factor..........
     
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    #18
    unrelated link not more effect but increase PR
     
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    As my experience says unrelated links are less effective then related link.If the site has high pr then you cant take some unrelated links but not take many more.But if there are lots of unrelated link at your site then it will give bad impression to Google.
     
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    Building links in the related niche gives more value to your links.
     
    rashida, Mar 30, 2010 IP