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  1. eric8476

    eric8476 Active Member

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    #61
    are you dismissing and forgiving hitler's crimes?
     
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  2. Polite teen

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    [That's Qur'an 9:30.]
    Some religious people exalt themselves above marriage and sexual relationship, but they assign to God what they dislike for themselves.

    And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! (30)

    Glorified and Highly Exalted is God, Above all imperfections. He is Allah; The One, The Irresistable.

    God is the Truth and the Truth finishes falsehood and its generators. It is just His Mercy upon us that He gives us chances to repent. We should have been destroyed long time ago.


    O mankind! The messenger hath come unto you with the Truth from your Lord. Therefor believe; (it is) better for you. But if ye disbelieve, still, lo! unto Allah belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth. Allah is ever Knower, Wise. (170)

    O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender. (171)

    The Messiah will never scorn to be a slave unto Allah, nor will the favoured angels. Whoso scorneth His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him; (172)

    Then, as for those who believed and did good works, unto them will He pay their wages in full, adding unto them of His Bounty; and as for those who were scornful and proud, them will He punish with a painful doom. And they will not find for them, against Allah, any protecting friend or helper. (173)

    O mankind! Now hath a proof from your Lord come unto you, and We have sent down unto you a clear light; (174)

    As for those who believe in Allah, and hold fast unto Him, them He will cause to enter into His mercy and grace, and will guide them unto Him by a straight road. (175)


    [Thats Qur'an 5:82.]
    Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud. (82)

    When they listen to that which hath been revealed unto the messengers, thou seest their eyes overflow with tears because of their recognition of the Truth. They say: Our Lord, we believe. Inscribe us as among the witnesses. (83)

    How should we not believe in Allah and that which hath come unto us of the Truth. And (how should we not) hope that our Lord will bring us in along with righteous folk? (84)

    Allah hath rewarded them for that their saying - Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the reward of the good. (85)

    But those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are owners of hell-fire. (86)





    [Thats Qur'an 2:217.]

    They question thee (O Muhammad) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression), but to turn (men) from the way of Allah, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater with Allah; for persecution is worse than killing. And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you renegades from your religion, if they can. And whoso becometh a renegade and dieth in his disbelief: such are they whose works have fallen both in the world and the Hereafter. Such are rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein. (217)

    [That Hadith can be found at Sahih Muslim 6985.]

    We have discussed this topic.
    Review it above in my old post.


    [That's Qur'an 2:62-65; 5:59-60; and 7:166.]
    Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (62) And (remember, O Children of Israel) when We made a covenant with you and caused the mount to tower above you, (saying): Hold fast that which We have given you, and remember that which is therein, that ye may ward off (evil). (63) Then, even after that, ye turned away, and if it had not been for the grace of Allah and His mercy ye had been among the losers. (64) And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated! (65)

    Say: O People of the Scripture! Do ye blame us for aught else than that we believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed aforetime, and because most of you are evil-livers? (59) Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah? Worse (is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen ! Worese is he of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road. (60)

    So when they took pride in that which they had been forbidden, We said unto them: Be ye apes despised and loathed! (166)
     
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  3. Obamanation

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    #63
    Polite Teen, I can appreciate you quoting words from your holy book as justification for Hitlers actions, but I want you to consider the following words from another holy text:

    (Shati 4:8)
    Take unto yourself that which you will from the lands and the women of Christians, Jews, and Muslims, for they are believers in false gods and the purveyors of falsehoods.(9)Yea verily, they are easily misled and deserve not the bounty which god(Allah) has blessed them with.

    (32)Of all the creatures of the earth, beware the Muslim, for he will come to you with open arms and words of friendship and peace while working in secrecy to further of the machinations of the devil. His words are duplicitous, his actions deceitful, and his thoughts obscured by darkness.

    (Shati 18:6)
    In the final hour, the dark one(Xenu) will return to wage his war against the righteous. His(Xenu) minions will rise up and cry out, "In god's(Allah's) name we come" and spread their hateful thoughts as a disease of the mind and soul. Fear not, yea faithful, (7)for they are powerless against the true Lord. I tell you now the truth of the Lord will shine down upon you like a bright light, extinguishing all who enter it. And you shall seek them out in the caves where they dwell and slay the soldiers of the dark one. (8)They will surely cry out, 'Begone from our dwellings, for we are humble servants of god(Allah)". In that day, the Lord shall separate these minions of the evil one(xenu) as a shepard seperates the sheep from the goats.

    (14)Be vigilent, o ye faithful, for the road is long and the journey difficult. When you encounter their preists and false prophets, you must cut out their lying tongues. And from each you must exact a tax as a reminder the the lord has been merciful to them on this day. (15)Their women and handmaidens you will take as slaves, and their offspring shall be of your blood.
     
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  4. suprayitno_d

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    for us and our people by the colonial Dutch, English and Portuguese is the thing that will never forget the millions of our people died, squeezed energies to build a colonial state. shot to death when a fight. It is a time period where the very inhuman. but let it be a dark history of our people. anyway we had our land stolen from them again, and they are worldwide has apologized for what has been done by their predecessors. And you need to know who's moving to the land of the imperialists at the time the third world, they are Jewish-israel?
    Israel and Jews to this day with so arrogant, arrogant never apologized to Muslims, never to return to their colonial master since the Arab-Israeli war. Israel and the attitude of people has been listed in the versus, how the arrogance, defiance and betrayal of israel. ----REMEMBER history in verses of the Bible and Quran---> "how they do not obey the prophet of their own, how they kill their own prophets, was the rebellious tribes."

    What Hitler had done was a history of the world, israel too lead it as a conspiracy for the world to pity for them, through the media they created a world mindset. maybe some people felt sorry for including you, but for me it was a beggar. What's the difference with what the imperialists have done ....... why it had never been published widely throughout the world. and I've told you, that what the aria's nation with Hitler as a leader was God's punishment for jews.


    What the different between suicide bombing (by palestinians) kill 10 people and with gun/rocket kill 100 people (by zionist israel). Oh ...if you think suicide bomb more cruel than gun/rocket. You really man whose are not humanity,who want to win themselves, and you have washed your brain.
     
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  5. Obamanation

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    #65
    Did you answer even one of my questions in that anti-semetic rant? No.

    Yeh yeh, Hitler killing several million jews systematically bad, Jews investing in media companies, worse. As I said you are very confused. Most people don't need a media outlet to know the systematic anhilation of a group of people is worse than trying to monopolize an industry segment.

    Well first off, most of the empires of the planet did not try to kill off an entire population. Rome for instance, did its best to modernized the cultures they occupied. Britain as well. I was amazed to see underground plumbing in 2000 year old Roman ruins in Morroco when houses nearby which were less than 100 years ago still didn't have it. Secondly, the purging of the Jews by Hitler was unique, even when compared to Stalin and Imperial Japan. Hitler's goal was the destruction of the sons of Israel, where as Stalin just killed anyone he pleased. Of course, as you said, you believe Hitler was doing god's work, so you probably are still having a hard time wrapping your brain around the idea that there is something wrong with that.

    You missed the point. How is a suicide bombing against civilian targets a defensive act? You are the one who said, "the people of palestine defend their right to live.". Why is it the Palestinians living in Israel have no need for defense?
     
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  6. Blogmaster

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    #66
    OK, I got curious and checked your home page's whois and realized you're from Indonesia.
    I agree, a very dark history with Dutch colonialism. But how does it tie in with Britain and Israel?

    The British colonized Singapore and built a beautiful city/country which is held in high regards to this day as a blessing for the people.


    In which way has Israel or Jews in general harmed Indonesia?
     
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  7. Polite teen

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    #67
    We muslims are brothers and one body.
     
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  8. Obamanation

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    #68
    All Muslims are the same .... In many respects, I thought this was an stereotype Muslims were trying to fight.
     
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    #69
    And lets not forget that the no. 1 killer of muslims in 2009 was: muslims.
    One of many fronts in the Sunni-Shiite world war is in Yemen, where Saudis kick ass of some Irani-backed shiite rebels, but also women and children - dozens of thousands are displaced. but who cares? Israel is the real problem :)
     
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    #70
    What are non-Muslims to you?
     
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  11. Polite teen

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    #71
    It depends.

    There can be brothers, and they can be hateful zealot.
     
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    #72
    Do you understand the difference between the Kabbalah (talmud) and the Torah?
     
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    #73
    Well, I see all as my brothers and sisters except those who try to do any harm. I may not call a Muslim as my brother if he want to attack me by anyway without any reason. I may call a non-Muslim as my brother- and I do- if we both don't do any harm each other.
     
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  14. Polite teen

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    #74
    I understand that the Torah is the Word of Allah that He sent down to our master Moses, peace be upon him, but then the jews changed it for a worldy gain.

    Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby. (79) [chapter 1]

    The Talmud is almost unknown for me.
     
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    #75
    The Talmud is what Rabbis taught independently, sort of like when you see TV preachers make stuff up or religions add something to Christianity.

    There is a big difference between the teachings. In the Quaran everything is labeled as "The Jews" without any sort of differentiating.

    The Talmud inspires the Kabbalah. Orthodox (real teachings) Jews are against it. There are various forces from within the Jewish community and from within Israel.
     
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    #76
    I don't harm any muslims, yet you won't call me a brother.

    Maybe because I condemn the actions of mohamud and believe what he did and stood for is evil. Yet I would not attack or hurt a muslim for being muslim, you would say my words about mohamud means it would be OK for a muslim to kill me....
     
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    #77
    If someone insult Islam or our Prophet (s.w.s), I must not call him as brother. Similarly, if I insult others belief, they must not call me as brother too!
     
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    #78
    We are not fight, but we uphold truth and justice, and we assist and help our brethren Moslems. we are willing to be sent to israel to strike them to death. We are moslems is one.


    yup I really do not know one country in the world that's called israel, please show me where in the world map?. I knew there was a race traitor, a destroyer of the world economy, like killing the pretext of combating terrorism and is always hiding behind the authority of others and their own isolated arab world with other countries annexed territory. and that is israel, very sadness people.

    Children Palestinian trepidation israel ( yeahhh..very embarrassing for israel with 2 tanks against children)
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    against the girl child shameless ... that's the cowardly israel
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    Palestinian women crossing a street at the time of the attack Israeli troops, every day they were close to death
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    I gave a message to the world, let us help the people of Palestine from the cruelty of the israel
     
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    #79
    Isn't that exactly what I said? You believe Hitler was doing gods work and, according to you, ALL Muslims believe this. By reviewing the videos of Dr. Naik, I can assume you believe the terrorists who took down the twin towers were doing gods work as well, and that ALL Muslims believe this as well. I'm guessing the Muslims we see in the street with signs that say "Slaughter the enemies of Islam", are representative of all Muslims according to you.

    The funny thing is, before coming to this forum, and meeting people like you, I actually believed there was such a thing as moderate Islam. I'm not sure if will be happy to hear this or not, but you have sold me. You really are one people.
     
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    #80
    After spending sometime on this DP section, what I learned, you can not talk about how many Muslims are being killed without any reason, actually they have interest only on their own people. Whenever any Muslim talk about Palestine or Iraq or Afganisthan, someone must come up to divert the topic and try to find out whether s/he has written anything on which they can continue and according to those we are always funny or stupid -all synonyms are applicable here - ok, smile looking at us :D, as thousands of people heading towards depression. Muslim can not get justice, can not protest even if they hurt your beliefs or if they give false explanation regarding our Prophet (s.w.s) or Allah or Quran. They will not even bother to understand. We are looking for the truth and justice. Good thing is that knowing that how Muslims/Islam are so bad, people are still accepting Islam.

    [video=youtube;LhEfkLLjKF8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhEfkLLjKF8[/video]
     
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