poor guy...you're a victim of Islams lies. They've been telling you that since you were little, right? muslims are victims of deception...as predicted.
Jesus In Islam! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- POINT 1: The Christian does not know that the true spirit of charity which the Muslim displays, always, towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of his faith - the Holy Qur’ân. He does not know that the Muslim does not take the holy name of Jesus, in his own language, without saying Eesa, alaihi assalam ("Jesus, peace be upon him"). POINT 2: In the Holy Qur’ân Jesus is mentioned twenty five times. for example: "We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" (The Holy Qur’ân 2:87) "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." (3:45) "...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." (4:171) "...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." (5:46) "And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous." (6:85) POINT 3:He is spoken of as "The Word of God", as "The Spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honor spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honors this mighty messenger of God, and the Muslims have not fallen short over the past fourteen hundred years in doing the same. There is not a single disparaging remark in the entire Quran to which even the most jaundiced among the Christians can take exception.
Nobody cares. The Jesus of Islam is not the Jesus of the Bible. You can find thousands of Jesus's in Mexico. Islam is a stupid religion that wants to simultaniously claim the Bible is both false and true. It's a common problem with many false religions. They need to pretend they agree with the Bible so as to fool people. But at the heart of it, they think the Bible is junk as Moq has claimed repeatedly and yet he can't get over this Jesus fellow. "In the Holy Qur’ân Jesus is mentioned twenty five times." What does that prove? Islam has no clue who Jesus really is as the verses you quote demonstrate. Good job.
moq writes: "POINT 1: The Christian does not know that the true spirit of charity which the Muslim displays, always, towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of his faith - the Holy Qur’ân. He does not know that the Muslim does not take the holy name of Jesus, in his own language, without saying Eesa, alaihi assalam ("Jesus, peace be upon him")." One wonders if this is what the "muslim" of moq's mind was saying as he was firing katusha rockets into Bethlehem. Moq writes: "POINT 2: In the Holy Qur’ân Jesus is mentioned twenty five times for example: "We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" (The Holy Qur’ân 2:87)" This is not the Jesus that Christians know. Maybe, in the mind Mohammed, all these "clear signs" is how Jesus escaped the cross and never needed to be ressurected. Moq writes: "POINT 3:He is spoken of as "The Word of God", as "The Spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honor spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honors this mighty messenger of God." But to Chrisitans he is not a "messenger of God" He is God. Your Jesus is a different Jesus and may well as be named "Frank." IN Christ, Lord and Saviour
One wonders if this is what the "muslim" of moq's mind was saying as he was firing katusha rockets into Bethlehem. One also wonders if this is what the "Christians" of deadcorn's mind was saying as he droped the atom bomb on innocent and handicapped japanese people of hiroshima and nagasakhi. One also wonders if this is what the "Christians" of deadcorn's mind was saying as he killed lac's of innocent people in vietnam war. One also wonders if this is what the "Christians" of deadcorn's mind was saying as he killed lac's of innocent Aztecs in america itself. One also wonders if this is what the "Christians" of deadcorn's mind was saying as they killed lacs of innocent jews and muslims during the four crusades. One also wonders if this is what the "Christians" of deadcorn's mind was saying when they threw the innocent jews out of their own land 2000 years back. Moq writes: "POINT 2: In the Holy Qur’ân Jesus is mentioned twenty five times for example: "We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" (The Holy Qur’ân 2:87)" This is not the Jesus that Christians know. Maybe, in the mind Mohammed, all these "clear signs" is how Jesus escaped the cross and never needed to be ressurected. We cannot blame the Christians for their skepticism. They have been so learned for centuries. They were trained to think the worst of the man Muhammed, (salla Allah u alihi wa sallam), and his religion. How aptly did Thomas Carlyle say about his Christian brethren over a hundred and fifty years ago: "The lies which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammed) are disgraceful to ourselves only." Moq writes: "POINT 3:He is spoken of as "The Word of God", as "The Spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honor spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honors this mighty messenger of God." Though Jesus is mentioned by name in twenty-five places in the Holy Qur’ân, he is also addressed with respect as: Ibn Maryam, meaning "The son of Mary"; and as the Maseeh (in Hebrew it is the Messiah), which is translated as "Christ". He is also known as Abdullah, "The servant of Allah"; and as Rasul u Allah, the messenger of Allah. Eesa Latinised to "Jesus" The Holy Qur’ân refers to Jesus as Eesa, and this name is used more times than any other title, because this was his "Christian" name. Actually, his proper name was Eesa (Arabic), or Esau (Hebrew); classical Yeheshua, which the Christian nations of the West latinised as Jesus. Neither the "J" nor the second "s" in the name Jesus is to be found in the original tongue - they are not found in the Semitic languages. The word is very simply "E S A U" a very common Jewish name, used more than sixty times in the very first booklet alone of the Bible, in the part called "Genesis". There was at least one "Jesus" sitting on the "bench" at the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin. Josephus the Jewish historian mentions some twenty five Jesus' in his "Book of Antiquities". The New Testament speaks of "Bar-Jesus" a magician and a sorcerer, a false prophet (Acts 13:6); and also "Jesus-Justus" a Christian missionary, a contemporary of Paul (Colossians 4:11). These are distinct from Jesus the son of Mary. Transforming "Esau" to (J)esu(s) - Jesus - makes it unique. This unique (?) name has gone out of currency among the Jews and the Christians from the 2nd century after Christ. Among the Jews, because it came to be a name of ill - repute, the name of one who blasphemed in Jewry; and among the Christians because it came to be the proper name of their God. The Muslim will not hesitate to name his son Eesa because it is an honored name, the name of a righteous servant of the Lord. There is a Chapter in the Holy Qur’ân, named Surat u Maryam "Chapter Mary", named in honor of Mary the mother of Jesus Christ, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him; again, such an honor is not to be found given to Mary in the Christian Bible. Out of the 66 books of the Protestants and 73 of the Roman Catholics, not one is named after Mary or her son. You will find books named after Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul and two score more obscure names, but not a single one is that of Mary! The Biblical Version Says the Bible: "And the angle answered and said into her: 'The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Luke 1:35) Can't you see that you are giving the atheist, the skeptic, the agnostic a stick to beat you with? They may well ask "How did the Holy Ghost come upon Mary?" "How did the Highest overshadow her?" We know that literally it does not mean that: that it was an immaculate conception, but the language used here, is distasteful. Now contrast this with the language of the Qur’ân: The Qur’ânic Version "He said (the angel says in reply): 'Even so: Allah (God) createth what He willeth: when He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!' " (3:47) This is the Muslim concept of the birth of Jesus. For God to create a Jesus, without a human father, He merely has to will it. If He wants to create a million Jesus' without fathers or mothers, He merely wills them into existence. He does not have to take seeds and transfer them, like men or animals by contact or artificial insemination . He wills everything into being by His word of command "Be" and "It is". There is nothing new in what I am telling you, I reminded the Reverend. It is in the very first Book of your Holy Bible, Genesis 1:3 "And God said..." What did He say? He said "Be" and "It was". He did not have to articulate the words. This is our way of understanding the word "Be", that He willed everything into being. I guess thats enough of a similarity for today! But to Chrisitans he is not a "messenger of God" He is God. Your Jesus is a different Jesus and may well as be named "Frank." IN Christ, Lord and Saviour[/QUOTE] Does the miraculous birth of Jesus make him a God or a "begotten" Son of God? No! says the Holy Qur’ân: "The similitude of Jesus before Allah (God) is that of Adam; He created him from dust then said to him: 'Be', and he was." (3:59) Yusuf Ali, comments in his notes in the Qur’ân translation: "After a description of the high position which Jesus occupies as a prophet in the preceding verses we have a repudiation of the dogma that he was God, or the son of God, or any thing more than man. If it is said that he was born without a human father, Adam was also so born. Indeed Adam was born without either a human father or mother. As far as our physical bodies are concerned they are mere dust. In God's sight Jesus was as dust just as Adam was or humanity is. The greatness of Jesus arose from the divine command 'Be': for after that he was more than dust a great spiritual leader and teacher" The logic of it is that, if being born without a male parent entitles Jesus to being equated with God, then, Adam would have a greater right to such honor, and this no Christian would readily concede. Thus, the Muslim is made to repudiate the Christian blasphemy. Further, if the Christian splits hairs by arguing that Adam was "created" from the dust of the ground, whereas Jesus was immaculately "begotten" in the womb of Mary, then let us remind him that, even according to his own false standards, there is yet another person greater than Jesus, in his own Bible . Who is this superman? Paul's Innovation "For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God... Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life..." (Hebrews 7:1,3) Here is a candidate for Divinity itself, for only God Almighty could possess these qualities. Adam had a beginning (in the garden), Jesus had a beginning (in the stable); Adam had an end and, claim the Christians, so had Jesus "and he gave up the ghost". But where is Melchisedec? Perhaps he is hibernating somewhere like Rip Van Winkel (a fairy tale character who slept for many ages.) And what is this "Hebrews"? It is the name of one of the Books of the Holy Bible, authored by the gallant St. Paul, the self appointed thirteenth apostle of Christ. Jesus had twelve apostles, but one of them (Judas) had the Devil in him. So the vacancy had to be filled, because of the "twelve" thrones in heaven, which had to be occupied by his disciples to judge the children of Israel (Luke 22:30). Saul was a renegade Jew, and the Christians changed his name to "Paul", probably because "Saul" sounds Jewish. This St. Paul made such a fine mess of the teachings of Jesus, peace blessings be upon him, that he earned for himself the second most coveted position of "The Most Influential Men of History" in the monumental work of Michael H. Hart: The 100 or The Top Hundred or the Greatest Hundred in History. Paul outclasses even Jesus because, according to Michael Hart, Paul was the real founder of present day Christianity. The honor of creating Christianity had to be shared between Paul and Jesus, and Paul won because he wrote more Books of the Bible than any other single author, whereas Jesus did not write a single word. Paul needed no inspiration to write his hyperboles here and in the rest of his Epistles. Did not Hitler's Minister of Propaganda Goebbels say: "The bigger the lie the more likely it is to be believed'? But the amazing thing about this exaggeration is that no Christian seems to have read it. Every learned man to whom I have shown this verse to, seemed to be seeing it for the first time. They appear dumbfounded, as described by the fitting words of Jesus: "...seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." (Matthew 13:13) The Holy Qur’ân also contains a verse which fittingly describes this well cultivated sickness: "Deaf, dumb and blind, will they not return (to the path)." (2:18) Allah is merciful, the Holy Quran is the guiding light! Come back to the original religion, ISLAM!
Again,moq, you bring up ancient history and blame christianity for it. I have said here at this site before that the Crusades, the decimation of the American Indian, all this was done IN SPITE of the Holy Bible not ACCORDING TO it. That brand of religious bloodletting is uniquely islamic. So the rhetoric is ineffective, moq, redundant, and makes you look somewhat thick-headed. IN Christ
alis... This is too touchy a subject to answer in general whne I am not certain exactly which "point" you are referring to. Could you please be more clear and I will do my best to answer you. IN Christ
Christian brothers Bible has been changed many times for ages by popes for their own selfish interests as they want to live the way they pleased.The current bible is 70% fake and is crap.you people are getting misleaded by popes,clergy and your parents who tell you to read this book and follow it without actually knowing what thrash is written in it. My christian sister who converted to islam told that it is written in bible that a person who will commit sins all his life and just before death if he tells Jesus is my saviour he will go to paradise while as a person who has done all good his life didnt make Jesus his saviour before the last moment will go to hell.Dont you think it is absurd. Regarding Jesus(PBUH),It is written a lot about him in our holy Quran and we accept him as a messanger of Allah.There are no two Jesus but Jesus in Bible and Quran are same.The one Jesus(PBUH) for people of israel.Unfortunately his holy book is diluted so much by his own people that he must be ashamed of all christians. What are christians doing ..having sex with with their mothers,sisters,brothers,homosex. boozing,drinking alcohol,girls are getting fucked by lots and lots of men,exploiting others,no equality among people,doing lots of sins and accepting Jesus as saviour.Is this what God has send us to this earth for. There is no peace in your life.All you people ae restless. you yourself know that.There is no happiness in your life but only fake satisfaction which you get by sinning. Your life is leading you nowhere but to hell!!... Come investigate know the truth and accept it before its tooo late.I am warning you my brothers. dont follow darkness knowing everything.You have to repent.