Muslims murdered 500 Christians - mostly children and women

why do they do such things........it is inhuman...

 

Absolutely agree, you can speak for me anytime.

 

Alexis, how do you mean with "im speaking from my experiences" - you were a muslim woman?
About that read news - I already explain that.. and I read somewhere here which approved that you are just a ra.....

For all muslims here, please do not lose your time, do you see what is "she" and Rebecca trying to do - just to provoke you.

About man beating woman - as I know, statistics prove that it happens (1) more in your religion then ours, even death situations .

I know your theory, like the one which you show the muslims who are in middle, show them peaces of Qur'an that looks-like - terorism religion, like I saw on one place, they post: "Kill if it's needed" - but actually if you look that ajet from Qur'an it says "If someone attack you, and it's question of life, kill if it's needed to protect yourself." - I'm not sure if this goes exactly like this, but you got my point.

edit: Oh, and one more thing, Alexis - I have that feeling that your name isn't actually Alexis Petrov (russian?), and I think you're somewhere from Arizona and not Sydney, Australia - maybe I'm wrong with Arizona thing (or maybe you are from Sidney - but different person, but why using she's name - I just google it, don't attack me, just it suits your profile and (1), and I'm asking - http://www.free-press-release.com/n...s-invade-down-under-australia-1255045670.html ?). Rebecca - your signature proves all, I love Israel you say, and what's happening there right now? Bravo!

 

Glad to hear it Rebecca, I didn't want to be overly presumptuous.

intro, you misunderstand entirely. Also I never once typed "im" - I don't butcher the English language.

My experiences are those of someone who has spent a lot (far too much) time around Muslims.

Also, you just claimed that in my religion (was Rebecca included there? I can't tell) women are beaten more than in Islam - you are greatly mistaken; I am not even religious - also in my country striking a woman is a crime.

You are sometimes difficult to understand as English is obviously your second language, but honestly, don't try to defend a religion where women can be beaten and kids are forced into marriage and rape and then killed when they try to run away - it makes me, and every other person who doesn't like the idea of such things, sick.

 

Muslims murdered 500 Christians - Its totally inhuman and Islam don't teach us to do so, but can you people see how many children/women get killed everyday in Palestine... don't you think its also an inhuman environment?

 

Alexis, just let me know about your profile thing, and about non religious thing - I'm sorry for you.. I would recommend everyone to read caferully Qur'an, and maybe they would take it as their religion, because I see most of ex Christians are now non-religious, why - maybe because there are some holes.

Do you still think that 11.9. was an Muslim act? Or better question, what do you think about that?

About Nigeria thing, they are very agressive country, an famous soccer player - Martins, came home, and could died because of extremists, he is Christian, and told that they didn't ask for money, just start shooting at him. So..

 

The main reason I became involved in this thread is because one muslim was claiming male superiority is not taught in islam. That's so blatantly false, it was begging to be challenged. Therefore, I quoted several verses in the quran that are, and have been used to discriminate against women. The reaction from one muslim was to claim men are a degree above women, and most likely agreed with the verses. Another muslim responded with racial slurs against Jews. Now you, apparently want to make me out to be the hater. Predictably, as if on cue, want to pop into this thread, of course mentioning Israel. The truth is, I support Israel more each day especially as I read comments by muslims on this forum.

P.s. Why are you stalking Alexis -- you're trying to figure out where she lives, and googling her name? Do you think you might want to get a life?

 

I feel for you Rebeca... that's all

 

I'll assume that means, "You win Rebecca, I have nothing intelligent to counter what you said. Therefore I'll just make this really condescending remark with fake pity."

 

just PM me your MSN or Yahoo ID

 

I know you simply BS, no one will have this nonsense interpret after reading Quranul Karim. You read multiple times, you become Muslim already, since you are not means you lie.

Very well, since you want to play game and refuse to read this link which I post like 1000x times, I post here again.

“Men are the vigilant custodians of women, because of what Allah has endowed upon the one over the other, in that they spend from their means. Thus are those women righteous and devout, and protective in absentia over what Allahas deemed to be secure. As for those from whom you fear insolence, (first) edify them, (second) abstain from laying together with them, (lastly) beat them. However, if they seek reconciliation, do not be hostile against them. Verily, Allah is the Exalted the Great.”

All this repeat so many many times and yet you claim you read Quran? Bullshit, I say!

You talk about Muslim woman, it is MY CONCERN. You insult and degrade Quran, it is MY CONCERN. You say that in Islam woman are inferior, it is MY CONCERN. I very offend that bullshit ppl like you who have never met a Muslim woman or ask opinion from them before think you can speak for women rights in Islam. I say no, I am Muslim woman and I love Islam very deep. Get that into you head. Thanks.

 

I've been offline, sorry for the delayed reply.

samser_m - I think that almost all killing, hurting, etc is "inhuman" as you say - however I am always more disgusted when it is done by people who are, or believe they are, pleasing their god. I made a post here some time back that was removed, I think it was upsetting to some people - it involved witnessing a family die, including a toddler and infant - the murderers were chanting something about Allah, I don't speak Arabic but later, asking a friend who was with me, I learned that it meant "Allah is great". It troubles me much more so when people believe they are supposed to torture and murder kids than those who do so then feel remorse.

intro - don't feel sorry for me - I choose to be an Atheist because I believe in science, logic and truth. I am not an ex Christian. Also, I have read the Qu'ran, I don't believe it, I don't know how anyone can, and frankly there are parts of it that make me literally cry. (Aisha being raped when she was 9 has always caused me great despair as it is represented as being romantic, when in fact it was simply the worst, most abhorrent kind of child abuse.)

Also - I am well aware Nigeria is a violent country, third world countries and Muslim countries do tend to have a lot more problems with people being bashed and killed in the streets, stones thrown, etc - particularly based on religion - than more civilized and evolved societies do. I understand that because of this most Muslims wont leave Islam as their families, friends, etc. may attempt to have them killed.

Rebecca is a fantastic woman and you are simply attempting to patronize her; why don't you answer her points? Respond to her quotes? Do not falsely claim that the Qu'ran doesn't place men above women - in doing so I'm quite sure you are committing some kind of atrocity against your god, lying about his word, and whatnot.

awins - you are what many would call an "oxygen thief". You think that because I hate the Qu'ran PASSIONATELY that I must not have read it? Every time I read it I hate it, Islam and this world more. I do not condone men being seen as above women, I do not condone wife beating and I do not condone the forced marriage and rape of children - I never, ever will.

Why are you posting a god damn quote that justifies the beating of women? You are telling me that it is OK, because you can only beat women in SOME circumstances. Fuck that. It's BS. There is never a time it is OK to beat a woman, and frankly by trying to defend it you make me feel physically ill. You are NOT the kind of woman I (nor Rebecca, I believe) feel sad for. You are not the kind of woman we want to see able to live her life without being controlled. You're just some nutty little "person" (I use the term loosely) who thinks hitting women is ok in some circumstances - just like every other wife beating mother fucker out there. There's always some way to justify it. It's sick and you need help.

Stop pretending the Qu'ran doesn't say men are above women. You lie. When you will admit you are lying and that the Qu'ran does in fact state that men are above women, I might listen to you - however I wont discuss fact with a liar - it's a waste of my time.

Lastly; I don't care what is or isn't your concern, I didn't mention that. I simply told you that you are not our concern - we don't care if women who support wife beating get their ass kicked by their husband - unless your kids know about it, then we'd care very much - but more about you losing your kids as that is not a safe place for children.

Oh, and WTF do you know about me never meeting a Muslim? You are completely, totally, full of shit. I have met Muslims, I have LIVED with Muslims, I have been in Muslim areas, I have spoken with three women, two who left Islam one who stayed but left her husband, specifically on the matter of spousal and child abuse.

You are a Muslim woman. Shouldn't you be off covering your face, looking after a house and kids, cooking, cleaning, being supervised by a male and not on a forum?

PS - For those of you who couldn't be bothered reading the link, this is the quote that awins mistakenly believes makes it all alright; it is explaining what is meant by "beat them".
‘Fear Allah in regards to women! For you have taken them in marriage as security from Allah and intercourse with them has been made lawful for you by the Words of Allah. And you too have rights over them that they should not allow any adversary to illicitly frequent your dwelling. If they do that then you may hit them with a hit that does not hurt’
Again, fuck that.

 

@alexispetrov

Sorry to say but its true that you really don't have enough knowledge of Quran... may be you have read though I doubt... if yes then obviously misinterpreted may be those which we can find on some non-islamic sites (shows as true Islamic site) who try to prove Islam or Muslims are against western world as western media does or all islamic things are rubbish. Whether you hate or like Quran does not matter to me or any Muslims. Its your personal choice and Islam doesn't force to believe or follow Quran. But we are sure very sure you really DON'T have either Quran or Islamic knowledge at all.

 

I can't imagine how will it be for your husbands to live with you.. I don't care, I know what's the truth.. and am still waiting for your answer alexis..
Rebecca, you're right, I have nothing to comment .

 

My partner of several years loves living with me, actually You might think I'm horrible, but I daresay I'm a fantastic partner. I'm loving, attractive, sexual, attentive and warm - his family also love me, his father loves to chat with me and his mother always wants to spend time together.

samser, it isn't that I don't understand the Qu'ran - I just don't like it, I don't agree with it. I don't agree with the Bible either, it doesn't mean I don't understand it. The website I quoted was one awins suggested as one that explains why it is OK to "beat" women because it is gentle, or the like.

I don't mind if you don't think I have any knowledge of the Qu'ran or Muslims - it is much easier for you. It would be painful to believe many of the things I've seen in Muslim areas.

Intro, if you are going to make this personal I wont continue the discussion - however if you refrain from commenting on things you can't possibly know, I'll answer whatever you like. What was the question?

 

It's personal but it could have something to do with your way of thinking (if you want the question, read my last night's post).. I don't trust you, there are hardly few people who experienced what you said you experienced, and I'm sure, they are not sitting on computer like you do.

So stop acting like a child, by the way, how old are you? 20-25?

 

It's political, not personal. We both have personal feelings on the subject, passionate ones I'm sure, but if you will be bringing my partner into things it isn't a discussion I will be having with you. It's the same as if I brought your mother into it, you just don't do it - not without reason - you were simply looking to be offensive.

I don't really care whether you trust me or not, I'm not looking to convince any of the Muslims here - I was just answering the question about why I have these beliefs, etc. - you are right that few people have seen such things in the big scheme of things, however almost anyone who has spent a few months in a largely Muslim area has seen this kind of thing - so it really depends on what kind of a life you've had.

I think it is you who is acting like a child; you make personal and irrelevant statements.

I assume you don't actually mean your last post but one several posts up, about 9/11. I'm guessing you asked this because of the recent thread here, you feel educated about it - or the like. I believe 9/11 probably was a bunch of retarded Muslims - I also believe that given the celebrations that followed in places such as Lebanon and Saudi Arabia that whether it was or wasn't, the world is right to hate Muslims more now after seeing such a display after the lives of so many innocent people were lost. Even in wars, America does not cheer in the streets when Muslim women die.

 

Alexis, the personal question wasn't your husband, but your name, are you Alexis Petrov, or if not, why are you using that name, I put a link somewhere before about that girl.

Living with muslims, come to Bosnia, I'll show you how we live.

About 9/11, you are again proving my theory about you. May I suggest you watch the serial called The Arrivals?

Thank you.

 

you dont agree with Quran and not with bible :-s may i know are you without any religion?

 

Funny! Are you from any new media by the way?