I am not sure whether this was posted before or not. Just wondering how many of you believe that 9/11 was an inside job. I can watch many videos on net regarding this issue. Looking for your comments [video=youtube;daNr_TrBw6E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E[/video] [video=youtube;ssuAMNas1us]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us[/video] [video=youtube;ezIU6ZxYU3A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A[/video] I am not being able to edit the Poll, there should be another option, 'Don't know'.
It's posted all over the internet, it's one of the biggest ever conspiracy theories because no one knows the answer and this thread won't get the answer but will instead lead to lots of people arguing over politics and religion.
9-11 was perpetrated my Muslim terrorists. There is as much evidence to support this as there is to support the earth is more than 7000 years old.... sorry, forgot who I was talking to.
Fox News and the BBC announce the fall of WTC7 before it actually happened: WTC 7 Falls and the Media Reports it Early and Live [video=youtube;418YMZZHTzk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=418YMZZHTzk&feature=player_embedded[/video] [video=youtube;gQ7slm8REyQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ7slm8REyQ&feature=player_embedded[/video] http://letsrollforums.com/flight-77-passenger-barbara-t20525.html?t=20525 <<< very interesting discussions. Question # 1. Do we have any evidence that shows the passengers at the airport, boarding terminals or boarding the planes? Answer: No - Not on any of the "4 flights" of 911 [Is this not a huge red flag already? If such footage existed, and by all means if the governments story is true, there is indeed footage of all the passengers at the airports and boarding terminals. Yet not an inch of footage of this video has ever once been produced.] **The answer why there is no video of any of the passengers at any of the terminals or airports is because it simply does not exist and never did exist. Question # 2. How does a passenger purchase a ticket for a Flight which will not fly on 9/11? This is conceivably possible. Flights are canceled all the time and combined with other flights according to the dictates of the airlines and passenger loads any given day. Yet there are no records of any such occurrences on 9/11. The official story is set in stone. The people boarded Flight 11. They boarded AT Flight 11's gate. Question #3. How does a passenger fly on a flight which never takes off on 911? Now this is impossible. This is where the tougher questions are needed. The passengers all disappeared and that, seamlessly, on 911. This is beyond dispute. And yet they never could have boarded a flight that did not take off. They might have conceivably purchased tickets for these flights, but they could have never actually gotten onto flight 11, boarded and then taken off. Why? Because the BTS database is accurate and also definite. Flight 11 did not depart on 911. Unfortunately this presents a conundrum and a wall of confusion that none stepped over till now. Question # 4. Where did the passengers go, if not onto flight 11? Were they herded into rooms at the airports as some theorists have assumed? Were they tricked onto boarding another flight, which they thought was flight 11, a sort of 'patsy plane' if you will? These are all legitimate questions because we do after all have the collective disappearance of of 92 souls. They had to have gone somewhere, because they couldn't have gone nowhere. They didn't board or fly on flight 11. We have no reports of any disturbances at any of the airports, much less Boston Logan, which would likely happen if airport officials tried to sequester 92 people trying to board a flight inside an International airport with hundreds of witnesses all around, and yet they collectively disappeared. Not onto flight 11. And not sequestered at the airports. Then where? At this point we are running out of ground to walk on unless we pass over the most difficult bridge of all and ask the most unpleasant of all questions; Question # 5. Were any of the passengers on flight 11 or any of the 4 planes part of the conspiracy of 9/11? As an investigator, all things need to be considered. Regardless of peoples emotions, and all lines need to be investigated. The fact that there were no disruptions at any of the airports, indicates that the passengers disappeared seamlessly. Without struggle. Without commotion. Without notice. And without video surveillance. The fact the government has not produced a single video showing any of the passengers is likely because if they did so, it would prove upon analysis that the passengers were in a part of the airport they never should have been on 9/11. This is why the government cannot produce the video of any of the passengers on 911 at the airports, with the possible exception of Flight 93 which we will touch on later. The fact that the passengers disappeared seamlessly would indicate that they were willing participants by and large. It is plausible to believe that some passengers were just regular people, and randomly chosen for death & disappearance on 9/11. The planners after all were doing as much for 3000 people at the World trade Center. A few more is nothing to them. But it is not plausible to believe this is the case for all of the passengers. This item is what I believe is an issue which cannot be answered without more data. Whether or not regular passengers were chosen and incorporated into these flights, or whether or not they were all in one way or another part of the conspiracy. Perhaps it is a mixture of real passengers and conspirators. It is beyond the scope of this article to deal with all of the passengers and possible connections to 911 planning, although there is a mountain of supporting evidence, when there should be none. And for at least 3 of the planes passengers in question, their disappearance at the airports deserve further investigation, for we know that the 3 groups of people from flights 11, 175 and 77 were not passengers on their respective flights. The fact that the passengers from these 3 groups, at 2 airports disappeared so seamlessly is indicative that they were possibly willing participants. Combined with the lack of video the government has released showing any of the passengers at any of the 3 airports, it surely isn't implausible to believe that they are in a position where they cannot produce the video without incriminating themselves. My belief is that they do have video of the 3 groups of people at the 2 airports (93 is not included here) but cannot release it because it will show the passengers in a part of the airport they were never supposed to have been. Which would of curse help citizen investigators come closer to determining how 911 was operationally pulled off regarding the passengers and 4 planes. Why else would they withhold it? It should be noted that all of the above, regarding Flight 11 was also repeated at Dulles International Airport. Done twice at 2 airports. The 2 flights which the BTS shows as never having taken off, flight 11 & 77, the two American airlines planes. One from Boston, one from Dulles. The passengers for the other ghost flight, 77, the flight which the BTS shows as never having taken off, by and large mirror what is described above with flight 11. All of the passengers of flight 77 disappeared, seamlessly, yet they didn't get onto or take off on flight 77, because the BTS shows it as never having taken off on 9/11. And likewise, no reports of commotion or disruptions at Dulles, as one would expect if an entire plane-load of passengers were being redirected against their wills, in a public International airport. I emphasize, that they disappeared seamlessly. Without notice. Without commotion, & as the passengers on the other ghost flight of 911, flight 11 at Boston Logan, without video surveillance. This constitutes our 2nd conundrum regarding the passengers and the 4 flights on 9/11. 2 groups of people, one from flight 11 at Boston and one from flight 77 at Dulles would both seamlessly disappear under similar circumstances. And both groups of people would never board either of the flights, 11 or 77. Because the BTS database tells us this flight never departed. Let the conundrum remain for now, and don't ignore it, because in it lies part of the solution to understanding how they operationally pulled off at least one layer of 911. We encounter our third conundrum with the photographic evidence of flight 175. Even from a casual observance of all the evidence of pictures and video we have of flight 175, it is quite obvious it was not a commercial airliner, much less flight 175 which had passengers on board. Thus if commercial flight 175 did not hit the South Tower as we were all told, our third conundrum now becomes what happened to those passengers on flight 175? A third group of missing people. If they were not aboard that plane, and all evidence tells us they weren't, then where did the passengers from flight 175 go to? Were the planes switched in mid-air? Taken over by remote control and flown into the towers? Where o where did this third group of people, the passengers from flight 175 disappear to? Is anyone starting to see a pattern here? One group after another of the 4 groups of people on 911 have all sorts of difficulties with their stories and the story of their disappearance. As we move along to Flight 93 we will find even more issues. Though not quite the same, and as a matter of fact, we will get a glimpse of the key to understanding this mysteries outlined above. Something nobody was ever intended to read or see. It is simply an unintended consequence of 9/11 and something the planners of 911 couldn't ever plan for or forsee. Flight 93 was boarded twice. By two groups of people at two separate locations at Newark Airport. We know this because of two credible eye-witnesses. This is also more then likely the reason why flight 93 was 41 minutes late in taking off on 9/11. We were never supposed to know or learn of this 2nd boarding for flight 93, this was one of those things they couldn't forsee. After closing it's door at the terminal, Flight 93 reopened the door to the plane, to allow Mark Bingham aboard. Mark Bingham has for all intents and purposes totally messed up and missed his plane. They literally re-opened the door to the airplane at the terminal jet-bridge and allowed him onto the plane. http://letsrollforums.com/4-flights-9-11-t20496.html Not sure how anybody in the right mind can claim it happened as the media presented it, but then again, radical islam makes good scapegoats.
Also here is Bob Kerrey from the 9/11 commission stating that 9 11 was a result of a 30 year conspiracy theory: [video=youtube;gtJWBcWAeAw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJWBcWAeAw&feature=player_embedded[/video] But then again, topics such as this and Islam are equally pointless as people are willing to believe whatever is convenient. Watch the last 2 minutes of this video.
Thank you blogmaster for your information here. I was in doubt while noticed this thing first time, but if we make analysis and try to investigate then hope would understand. I do believe that truth can never be suppressed and has tongue!
There is a ton more info and videos which I have not seen by at least 99.9 percent of the people in the U.S. Problem is, people do not want to know. They watch the video and then find an excuse to watch no more. Mainly this comes from a fear and uncertainty of what is next.
Actually, the reason people don't watch any more of these videos after they watch one or two is because they can't stomach the bullshit. One might as well subject themselves to a couple hours of watching Benny Hinn or some other nutjob priest trying to sell you the latest snake oil. Sadly, because most people dismiss the idiocy rather than refute it, the idiots have the forum, including the first five pages on Google relating to almost any 911 conspiracy theory. If you want to take a pulse of what most Americans think of 911-truthers, have a look at Van Jones and Debra Medina. One thing you said is dead on though. There ARE a lot more of these videos out there. Every would be pundit and conspiracy theorist came out of the woodwork to publish their "findings", as if everyone at NIST is an uneducated moron or is somehow part of a vast (and I mean ENORMOUS) government conspiracy. For the most part, these theories are so absurd they don't even bear comment. I do, however, love General Albert Stubblebine, your star witness from the first video. This is a guy who believes he can walk through walls.... literally!
sorry, but which video was that? Have you watched the ones from the WTC7 fall? What is your explanation for that? Sorry, but I have no desire to prove anything and would love for people to prove me wrong. I don't believe Alex Jones is legit. I don't care who Medina is and have no faith in hardly anything that is shown by the mainstream media. But I have a mind, I will use it. So right now if anybody here can have something logical to let me know in regards to why the WTC7 tower fell from one second to the next at almost free fall speed and was reported early, I have a prize for you. I would not look at celebrities for answers and not at any of the popular voices allowed. Not Jones, O'Donnell, Sheen. Why would anybody turn to people like that for information? But simply because I find some of those people repugnant does not mean I am choosing door B and believe something that is impossible to make sense once the hype goes away and the 9/11 drug wears off. It may look impossible to believe, but after a year of doing my own research, it's pretty simple. Then again, I am not here to change anyone's mind. Just saying that just because I am only given 2 options by the public opinion, isn't necessarily registering as a need for me to choose either. Added: Sorry just realized you were talking about the OP.
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/wtc_videos/wtc_videos.html Engineers explain in some reasonable level of detail. The video does not require anyone to believe it, but I have yet to see evidence to indicate it should be disbelieved. By the way, WTC 7 had been burning all day, and when the fire department pulled their men from the building, it's collapse was a foregone conclusion(anticipated). In the confusion, several news agencies made the mistake of interpreting "collapsing" as "has collapsed". If you want to know about molten metal, the answer can be found here: http://www.highlightskids.com/Science/TryThis/h3TT1004_ironBurns.asp?subTitleID=159 Haha, my fault. I responded to your post about why people dont watch more than one of these videos, but yes, the remainder of my post was more or less in address of the OP videos. I too like to keep an open mind about things, and try never to accept any one source as authoritative if possible, including media or government. The conspiracy theories surrounding 911 have one fatal flaw they all share. An effective conspiracy needs to be small, or someone will blab. The more people who know, the more risk of someone talking. As applied to the research on WTC 7 in particular, NIST is an agency that employs mostly engineers. These people are focused on safety standards, not black ops and politics. If the Oval office, or some shadow government entity paid the fine folks of NIST off to publish a report that didn't substantiate the conspiracy theories, you would have heard one of the insiders talk by now(or you would see a few of them wind up dead under very curious circumstances). Does that mean the government didn't have a hand in it? No. It just makes it highly improbable. In this day and age, however, that doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference to a lot of people. It just makes it more intriguing, especially if they have an axe to grind with the US govt, or the Bush admin(Read OP).
Who were you talking to?? @samser_m 9/11 gave Americans an excuse to kill more Muslims and evade oil rich Muslim countries. So as far as I see this whole 9/11 shit was totally sponsored by Americans and their allies and probably Mullah Umer and Osama Bin Ladan were paid agents. Anyways truth can never be suppressed and it will come out one day, may be in a few years or in a few decades but time will come when the whole world will know about their war crimes in Iraq Afghanistan in the name of collateral damage.
It would be a little more complex than that, my friend. "Americans"? Who do you mean? Me and a couple other members here? I sure had nothing to do with it and am in search of the truth. But before you go ahead and make this an Islam against U.S.A. issue again lemme say this much: If Islam had a better reputation, it would have been impossible to fool the public. Which reminds me to see if anybody has answered my request to post the scriptures I requested yet And just to clarify a couple things: I am not saying "Bush did it". I am not saying "Clinton did it". I am saying that while we talk about the average things the Council on Foreign Relations has us ponder upon, we are missing the whole picture. [video=youtube;NxMayaeHd6I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxMayaeHd6I&feature=player_embedded[/video]
Someone who, more likely than not, believes the earth was created in 7 days. So you not only believe 9-11 was a conspiracy, you also believe Afghanistan has oil? How is the tooth fairy, and the little elf from lucky charms? Just like the answer to who shot Kennedy?
Does not matter to me! I already told our friend Obamanation don't bother to read properly... pretty sure of it... he knows how to do comments against Muslims or Islam whenever he see anything regarding Muslim/Islam on this forum. I wonder that many many people are against Islam or Muslims even knowing the truth. I really don't have any intention to hurt anybody's beliefs as Islam does not teach me to do so. My small brain don't understand one thing why I see thousands of people from US or other western countries are converting to Islam each year I don't think they are so fool or uneducated who without proper understanding of Quran has converted to Islam. May Allah show us the right path! Peace.
That's good for them, but why is it that every time we have an ongoing discussion about Islam and someone brings up an inconvenient question, it gets ignored, and then in another thread we are resurrecting the same topic again? This is a very serious subject and should be treated as such. If this goes the same way that all the many "Islam is great", "Islam is evil" etc. threads then there is absolutely no chance to have good results from this.
that WTC 7 building still standing when reported that it fell was spooky, although i don't think it proves conspiracy, not as much. Not that it is a conspiracy i'm saying if it was it wouldn't prove consipricary that much.