The goal of Islam? (Or at least those in the Middle East)

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  1. checksum

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    #81
    Modern day Christianity is not violent yet we still see groups that are violent in the name of Christianity, same thing goes for Islam, same thing goes for Judaism. You can call all of these religions peaceful when you look at the majority of their followers. This is the comparison I'm trying to make, and I've made it quite well despite all the naysaying. Islam is a bigger problem but that doesn't diminish the share that Judaism and Christianity have in this garbage. All of them push an ignorant faith and all of them have writings that support acts of hatred, Islam is just more transparent and present due to the issues that are faced in the Middle East.
     
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    #82
    Ahh bummer. I miss being accused of name calling when charging that a terrorist is a terrorist. Good times.
     
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    #83
    You mean like the loony's that stand outside of funerals and chant stupid shit while calling themselves Christians? Yeah, the general Christian population refers to them as loony's.

    The general population of Islamists refer to terrorists as Islamists. See the difference?

    (of course not)
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #84
    No, he was talking about gworld. Unless you are admitting you are him. But I know that not to be true. gworld, while fun to argue back and forth with, has a criptic writing style where his sentences can often appear to be constructed by a content generator.

    Anyway, you jumped to a conclusion there. You gave the strawman an eye jammy :D
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Source please? I keep asking. I'm hoping after x number of times you'll produce.
     
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    #86
    Does this change the fact that those terrorist groups are still there, and they are able to exist by interpreting intollerent texts of their said religion, whether it be Christianity, Judaism or Islam? What difference is there between these religions if this is what fuels the terrorism? Is it the numbers? Islam has more radical followers than the others but it wasn't always like that, so why is Islam all of a sudden more evil? Can you use numbers as a criteria for evil without accepting the original cause for the numbers, the cause being intollerent teachings? If the cause for the numbers is the same for each religion how is one religion all of a sudden different from the others?

    October 2, 2004- Christian terrorist group kills 44 Hindus, wounds 118 in Northeast India.
    2003- Preacher Michael Evans calls for a holy war and "cleansing" against non-Christians.
    January 16, 1997- Christian Identity terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph bombs nightclub.
    July 27, 1996- Christian Identity terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph bombs Centennial Olympic Park. Kills 1, wounds 111.
    1983- Posse Comitatus militia member Gordon Kahl kills two Federal marshals in North Dakota. Three others were wounded.
    1978- Christian cult "the Peoples' Temple" leader Jim Jones allegedly kills 913 people with cyanide-laced Kool Aid. People trying to escape the compound are shot.
    1976- Nearly 300 people are killed in Ireland as a result of bombings between Catholics and Protestants.
    1940s- Terrorist organization Christian Identity is formed on the West Coast of the United States. Followers believe Armageddon will take place as a race war between Aryans, the "pure" people, against Jews, Muslims, and non-whites.

    This is from a Wikipedia article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

    You can ignore the first one if you like, I can't find any credible sources for it.
     
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    #87
    LOL you're picking a small group of wackos who call themselves Christians and compare that to the huge amount of terrorists, sleepers, and most of all the hundreds of millions of Muslims who are terrorist supporters? Get real. :rolleyes:
     
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    #88
    Yes and I'm saying that both groups use writings from their religions to justify their acts.
     
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    #89
    haha you must suffer from braindamage. Christians have what? 2 percent extremists? Real Muslims support terror. We're talking about 100s of Millions of Muslims compared to maybe a couple of thousand so called Christians worldwide. :rolleyes:
     
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    #90
    Yes, the first one appears to be completely inaccurate. I find the same author attempting to make it appear as Christians, however, I found this reference that lists the suspected group.


    2003- Preacher Michael Evans calls for a holy war and "cleansing" against non-Christians.
    There is no source or citation for this claim. To investigate, I entered the following search:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...tian+terrorist+holy+war+cleansing&btnG=Search

    Michael Evans Who? From what organization? What I find is a repeating of the same thing, actually copy/paste of this same material, but after page two, no source of a Michael Evans making any such claim. Seems like a "mystery" person someone made up.


    January 16, 1997- Christian Identity terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph bombs nightclub.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Robert_Rudolph
    1983- Posse Comitatus militia member Gordon Kahl kills two Federal marshals in North Dakota. Three others were wounded.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Kahl
    Did I miss the terrorism part here? Open the page in a browser and do a search on the page for "christian" Tell me what you find?

    1978- Christian cult "the Peoples' Temple" leader Jim Jones allegedly kills 913 people with cyanide-laced Kool Aid. People trying to escape the compound are shot.

    Terrorism? No. Nutjob yes. You wouldn't be the first I've seen to draw moral equivalence on this thirty year old event though.

    1976- Nearly 300 people are killed in Ireland as a result of bombings between Catholics and Protestants.

    Isolated to the IRA. I've seen others try to use the IRA to draw moral equivalence.

    1940s- Terrorist organization Christian Identity is formed on the West Coast of the United States. Followers believe Armageddon will take place as a race war between Aryans, the "pure" people, against Jews, Muslims, and non-whites.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity
    So, this is what you attempt to equalize all religions with? Seriously, tell me you are joking here? To suggest all are equally bad over this? The first few were washouts, leaving but two potentials here, going back 30+ years.

    I can name off more "major" islamic terrorist attacks/plots in the past year than what you have "attempted" (but failed) to go back some 60 odd years in. In fact, there are more just yesterday and today, then what you have here. Two "potentials."

    If that's all you have, I rest my case. But then I already knew you didn't have anything. Why pretend? Did you find anything in the New Testament yet?

    Did you have anything else, or was that really it?
     
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    #91
    He's OWNED! :D
     
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    #92
    Sorry, but I don't have GTech's patience looking for evidence against any nutty comment made in here.
     
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    #93
    Can you not see the point that I'm trying to make? Each one of these religions offer texts that give a false justification for these acts. It's more prevalent in Islam (at the moment) but that doesn't change the fact that it's present in Christianity and Judaism too. That's all I'm trying to say, my argument was that you can't call Islam evil and say Christianity and Judaism aren't aswell based upon the fact that they all have these texts and they have all been used in the past. I'm done with this discussion, it's more trouble then it's worth.
     
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    #94
    For the last time: Jesus put an end to the inhumane actions from the Old Testament and preached nothing but love and acceptance. However, when the Muslim "prophets" came along, that's when the violence got elevated to a whole new level and it shows in the actions of Muslims to this day.
     
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    #95
    So then what was the whole deal with Ireland being split in half? If Jesus came and put and end to the inhumane acts why did all of that religious persecution pop up? I agree with you, Jesus did come and he set a lot of things straight, but that doesn't change the fact that there are groups that still use the texts that were written before as justification for their acts, and the fact that these texts are still found within the Bible. These texts are still a part of the Christian religion, no matter how small of a role they play in the mainstream faith. You can't dismiss the radicals by simply talking about Jesus, what he preached doesn't apply to them in the same way that it does to you. The same thing goes for the Muslims, they have radical groups and they have tolerant groups, the only difference is that there is a much larger number of radical groups, other then that though the seperation between radical and tolerance is almost identicle to that of Christianity, the seperation being that one group thinks the other is insane.
     
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    #96
    The difference is that Christians do wrong, but the book they follow is there to guide them the right way, while Muslims are expected to be hateful and violent.
     
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    #97
    If Muslims are expected to be hateful then why is it that you see American Muslim groups that shun the intollerent ones of the Middle East? I think you are confusing radical Muslim teachings with tolerant Muslim teachings. The Qu'ran is a very confusing book, you will find teachings of love and then you will find teachings of hate, the same thing goes for the Bible, it's just that in the Bible it's presented in a different way.
     
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    #98
    Because they have a broader perspective about life, and therefore common sense tells them that the Quran is hogwash.
    It's a subconscious thing where they know it, but don't want to acknowledge it.
     
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    #99
    Yup, that's right Blogmaster. Also, to checksum or whoever posted that list of Christian "cults", it's shameful to call the different cults that were mentioned earlier Christians because they in no way followed the Bible or behaved at all as Christians. Christians are supposed to be like Jesus was, caring, kind, generous, striving to help others.
     
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    #100
    One could argue that this is also true for Christians and the Bible. The majority choose to ignore the older teachings that demand hatred towards those that follow a different faith.
     
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