The goal of Islam? (Or at least those in the Middle East)

I think you misunderstand, Zarul. I wasn't asking a question or looking for an excuse as to why they did it, I was simply pointing out that the Bali bombings were committed by 3 Malaysia suicide bombers from Al Qaeda linked Jammat Al Islamiya. That is factual. Can we set aside the defense of the suicide bombers for a moment and agree that there is a parallel in that the three suicide bombers were from Malaysia?

 

zarul... one thing you have to understand. We in the west find more and more that we are fighting a borderless war. Fanaticism in the muslim world exceeds such boundaries as is witnessed by the fact of so many foreign fighters in the Iraqi conflict killing innocent Iraqi's at bus stops, cafes, in the night as they walk home, etc...

It's one of the things the west distrusts so much, this fanatical understanding of the term "Nation of Islam."

Again I praise your individualism and patriotism per your own country, it is refreshing to see. What are youdoing to help other Muslims see this?

IN Christ

 

I can't stand it when people judge Muslims as a whole. Yes, I'm Lebanese, but we're not all the same.

Just on a side note, anyone who visits Lebanon, whether their Muslim or not, is welcomed, not hated. I mean... Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and several other Muslim countries are examples of places where you see a diverse economy. It's not filled with white and jew haters that you speak of. You're obviously going to get a lot that do, after everything that has happened, but not everyone thinks the same.

 

If you follow Islam, you are following an evil and deadly ideology, simple as that!

 

That's pretty unfair and harsh to say.

 

It's reality. Take a break from Islam and vote for DP's hottest girl

 

Same goes for Christianity and Judaism, they both have writings about killing people, and they both claim it is acceptable (in certain circumstances, just like Islam does). Of course it depends on how you interpret those writings, but at the grass roots the writings are still there. If you say something about Islam as a religon you must apply it to these two aswell. Islam as a fanatical idealogy is more open for harsher criticism in my opinion.

 

Can you show me where Jesus preached violence?

 

No but I can show you the old testament passages where it reads that it is acceptable to stone your family if they stray from the path.

There are plenty of others that speak of violence if you're interested in them aswell.

 

Jesus put an end to all that nonsense. And you don't see Israel practice that anymore, do you?

 

I see Christians and Jews killing people all the time but no, I doubt they openly read these passages during sunday service, and I doubt the tolerant Muslim sects (which make up the majority) do either. What you do see though is the radicals of each religion using these violent passages to justify their reactionary actions. So I ask you why is it that you can call the Muslim religion evil and not the other two?

 

Islam hasn't changed in hundreds of years. The same murderous passages from over 1,000 years ago, are being practiced today. Are you just playing blind, deaf and dumb?

 

Islam has changed just like every other religion, some people are still stuck on the midieval mindset though. You'll find violent racist groups of every religion. BTW, don't call me stupid. You have no idea of who I am or how intelligent I am. If you disagree with me attack my points, don't try to insult my intelligence unless you're fine with looking ignorant in my eyes.

So lets go back to what I asked you before. Why is it that Islam is the evil one when all three of the major religions have the same violent writings and all three have radical groups that act on them?

 

All 3? Where has Jesus preached violence. Christians are followers of Jesus, correct? What did Jesus say?

And when has Israel last stoned someone publically.

Nice try avoiding and smokescreening.

(If you don't wanna be called dumb, then try not to act like it)

 

Does it matter if Jesus preached violence? Christianity includes the Bible in it entirety. The same thing goes for Judaism, and the same thing goes for Islam. That is what a religion is, the interpretations of it's religious writings, and some of those writing happen to be disgustingly generous when it comes to the rules on harming others. Furthermore none of the religions have an exclusive claim to this idiotic bullshit, they're all equally fucked up.

Let me explain it to you this way. There are Christians that are racist, there are Jews that are racist, and there are Muslims that are racist. There are Christians that are violent, there are Jews that are violent, and there are Muslims that are violent. There is no difference between the violent followers other then the books they read.

Are we clear?

Now where do I get off saying that Christianity is a violent religion? I say it because there are Christian radicals that use the workings of Christianity as a justification for their acts. This is parallel with all three of the religions, therefor I cannot distinguish one from the other two when it comes to intollerance, other then the fact that one of the radical groups is larger and gets more media attention. I know you're probably thinking "Hey, but those people don't represent Christianity!", well I'm sorry to break it to you but that's bullshit! If you can say that the Muslim radicals represent Islam then you must agree that Christian radicals represent Christianity. Why? Because they both use out dated intollerent writings to justify their crimes.

All three of the religions have their docile followers too, so again I ask - what's the difference between them?

And where am I smokescreening? I made a justifiable comparison between all three religions because ALL THREE of them pull the same bullshit. One just happens to pull a lot more of it.

Edit: Motherfucking typos.

 

I'd just like to know why you're throwing harsh and rude words at us. Oh, and another thing... don't be bashing the Muslim religion, especially considering it doesn't compare to all of the damage that the Jews have forcefully, happily, and purposely inflicted on Lebanon and Palestine.

And about that comment... no one deserves to be spoken to that way. Don't think you know everything either. Look... all I'm saying is that those rude comments you made were uncalled for.

@checksum: I agree. You're always going to have good/bad people in every religion. People can't be judged, however, based on their religion.

 

Wow checksum, major efforts towards moral equivalence here. Unfortunately, there is no comparison.

 

What are you comparing? If you think I'm comparing Israeli retaliation towards terrorist acts you're wrong, I'm comparing each religions radical groups. I'm trying to show that you can't say one religion is evil and the other ones aren't, they're all equally evil and corrupt, it's just that at certain times one takes lead in the debacle. Any religion that lays out scripture that gives conditions for acceptable murder and outright acts of genocide is culpable for the events that ensue. Of course it depends on the people and they're choices, but really, give me a reason why I should put my faith into people.

 

I think you need to check your facts. I'm not Jewish and I'm not particularly a big fan of Israel, but I've been following this Middle East thing for 30 years and every war that involved the Israelis was started by neighboring Islamic countries.

People will only tolerate so much senseless violence and they are left with no choice but to defend themselves. This whole idiotic Middle East thing would very likely end if only the Muslims would give up their continual propoganda and relentless attacts on Jewish civilians.

I don't think you could find a single instance where the Israelis have launched an unprovoked attack on Lebanese or Palestinians, but unfortunately you cannot say the same for their Muslim foes.

 

Right, moral equivalence. What you are attempting to do is take a fence sitter's position by suggesting that they are all equally corrupt. And your argument is failing. Here's why it fails.

If you are interested in a group of people whose scriptures do call for the murder of people and tell them not to befriend Christians and Jews and want to see it in daily practice, you know where to go, right? Right

The difference is here. We see it in practice, EVERY DAY. What you are trying to do, for the sake of equality, is lump all religions together to diminish the problems faced in islam. It doesn't work that way.