You are a Catholic / Christian if you celebrate these holidays.

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  1. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #21
    lol, look at this to learn about paganism and faith
    [video=youtube;OKlFgndzXhU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKlFgndzXhU[/video]​

     
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    #22
    Ummm... no they weren't.

    You're a Christian and you think St Patrick's Day, Halloween, Mardis Gas, Valentine's Day, etc were in the Bible? Seriously?
     
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    #23
    Noah got drunk as a skunk and poor old Ham discovered his nakedness and (well you know the story). Now I guess I had better give up Beer and repent then or I will never make it through the next flood otherwise. The end will come as a flood after all.

    I am off to pour a beer so I can stop worrying about it though as if it's gonna happen there is nowt I can do about it and IF Noah was drunk as he got it seemed faired pretty well in his ark that sounds like it must have stank what with all those pairs of animals on it.

    Question is though if they went on in pairs how did they feed the lions and tigers etc when they only had two rats and two mice and for forty days it rained.

    Is it just me or does something not quite add up in this story??
     
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  4. googlerankmaniac

    googlerankmaniac Peon

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    Epiphany (Thur., Jan. 6, 2011)

    Epiphany (from Greek epiphaneia, "manifestation"), falls on the 12th day after Christmas. It commemorates the manifestation of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, as represented by the Magi, the baptism of Jesus, and the miracle of the wine at the marriage feast at Cana. One of the three major Christian festivals, along with Christmas and Easter. Epiphany originally marked the beginning of the carnival season preceding Lent, and the evening preceding it is known as Twelfth Night.

    St. Valentine's Day (Sun., Feb. 14, 2010)

    Originally a pagan festival, the holiday eventually was recast as a Christian feast day in honor of St. Valentine—but there are at least three different early saints by that name. How the day became associated with romance remains obscure, and is further clouded by various fanciful legends.

    Mardi Gras (Shrove Tuesday) (Tues., Feb. 16, 2010)

    Shrove Tuesday falls the day before Ash Wednesday and marks the end of the carnival season, which once began on Epiphany but is now usually celebrated the last three days before Lent. In France, the day is known as Mardi Gras (Fat Tuesday), and celebrations are held in several American cities, particularly New Orleans. The day is sometimes called Pancake Tuesday by the English because fats, which were prohibited during Lent, had to be used up.

    Ash Wednesday (Feb. 17, 2010)

    The seventh Wednesday before Easter and the first day of Lent, which lasts 40 days. Having its origin sometime before A.D. 1000, it is a day of public penance and is marked in the Roman Catholic Church by the burning of the palms blessed on the previous year's Palm Sunday. With the ashes from the palms the priest then marks a cross with his thumb upon the forehead of each worshipper. The Anglican Church and a few Protestant groups in the United States also observe the day, but generally without the use of ashes.

    St. Patrick's Day (Wed., March 17, 2010)

    St. Patrick, patron saint of Ireland, has been honored in America since the first days of the nation. Perhaps the most notable observance is the annual St. Patrick's Day parade in New York City.

    Palm Sunday (March 28, 2010)

    Observed the Sunday before Easter to commemorate the entry of Jesus into Jerusalem.

    Good Friday (April 2, 2010)

    The Friday before Easter, it commemorates the Crucifixion, which is retold during services from the Gospel according to St. John. A feature in Roman Catholic churches is the Liturgy of the Passion; there is no Consecration, the Host having been consecrated the previous day. The eating of hot-cross buns on this day is said to have started in England.

    Easter (Sun., April 4, 2010)

    Observed in all Western Christian churches, Easter commemorates the Resurrection of Jesus. It is celebrated on the first Sunday after the full moon that occurs on or next after the vernal equinox (fixed at March 21) and is therefore celebrated between March 22 and April 25 inclusive. This date was fixed by the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325.

    Ascension Day (Thurs., May 13, 2010)

    The Ascension of Jesus took place in the presence of his apostles 40 days after the Resurrection. It is traditionally thought to have occurred on Mount Olivet in Bethany.

    Pentecost (Whitsunday) (Sun., May 23, 2010)

    This day commemorates the descent of the Holy Ghost upon the apostles 50 days after the Resurrection. "Whitsunday" is believed to have come from "white Sunday," when, among the English, white robes were worn by those baptized on the day.

    Halloween (Sun., Oct. 31, 2010)

    Eve of All Saints' Day, formerly called All Hallows and Hallowmass. Halloween is traditionally associated in some countries with customs such as bonfires, masquerading, and the telling of ghost stories. These are old Celtic practices marking the beginning of winter.

    All Saints' Day (Mon., Nov. 1, 2010)

    A Roman Catholic and Anglican holiday celebrating all saints, known and unknown.

    First Sunday of Advent (Nov. 28, 2010)

    Advent is the season in which the faithful must prepare themselves for the coming, or advent, of the Savior on Christmas. The four Sundays before Christmas are marked by special church services.

    Christmas (Feast of the Nativity) (Saturday, December 25, 2010)

    The most widely celebrated holiday of the Christian year, Christmas is observed as the anniversary of the birth of Jesus. Christmas customs are centuries old. The mistletoe, for example, comes from the Druids, who, in hanging the mistletoe, hoped for peace and good fortune. Comparatively recent is the Christmas tree, first set up in Germany in the 17th century. Colonial Manhattan Islanders introduced the name Santa Claus, a corruption of the Dutch name St. Nicholas, who lived in fourth-century Asia Minor.
     
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    #25
    Didn't the Angel Gabriel visit Mary on the sixth month to tell her she was with child?

    That must mean either Jesus was born three months premature (though of course there is the switch to Gregorian to condsider) or that Jesus was born in March.
     
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    #26
    googlerank - Your own data disproves your assertion that those holidays were all "taken out from the Bible". Per your own information some are even pagan holidays that had Christian underpinnings tacked on long afterward, and many were not celebrated until many many centuries after biblical times.

    In short it is entirely possible to celebrate those holidays for reasons that are not only NOT religious, but for reasons that are counter to Christian belief. St Patricks day may be celebrated because the celebrant revels in drunkenness, or Valentines Day for lust, and Mardis Gras for both. Christmas for some is a celebration of greed.

    There is no way your premise holds water. Simply celebrating a holiday does not automatically make the celebrant a member of any religion.
     
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  7. googlerankmaniac

    googlerankmaniac Peon

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    #27
    Eve of all saints day. "Hallows" meaning "saints," and "mas" meaning "Mass"; the preceding evening (Halloween) is the "Vigil or Eve of All Hallows" Source: Wikipedia

    These where taken from the Bible as part of gifts and Blessings from God. Thats why he is powerful. If you dont know what is lent For Mardigra search Google.
     
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    #28
    Psssst. The name Christians tacked on doesnt change anything. If your logic had any reality, then christians that celebrated Halloween would automatically become Celtic.

    If you think celebrating a holiday that once had a religious significance makes someone a Christian, you're not only ignoring logic, you're ignoring the requirements your own religion specifies.
     
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    googlerankmaniac Peon

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    #29
    I dont know if your just plain old stubborn. The evidence is right there.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween see origin of name. Also see below christianity
     
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    #30
    Your own religion doesnt support you, but I'm the one that's stubborn?

    You made this crap up. Show me any verse in the bible that supports your bizarre theory that celebrating some holiday makes someone a Christian.
     
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    #31
    Basically you're suffering from a failure to understand a simple logical fallacy.

    If all Christians drove blue cars, that would NOT mean everyone driving a blue car is Christian.
     
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    googlerankmaniac Peon

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    #32
    Ok this is true i may have made a mistake on the title. But those holidays are from the Bible agree?

    I dont get this one? "Your religion doesnt support you? who are you talking about me or you?" Ask yourself why you celebrate Christmas coz your christian... Right? About Holloween you dont really necesarily need to be christian to do that. But The roots of these holidays are holy and Biblical right? am i right or am i wrong?
     
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    #33
    There's a difference between having had a religious significance at some point in history vs thinking everyone taking part in them is engaged in a religious expression. For many people easter is about a bunny that lays eggs. Giving their kid a basket of stuff that'll rot their teeth has nothing to do with resurrection. Similarly giving candy hearts and cards with terms of endearment to your girlfriend is not associated with anything religious... I dont have the foggiest idea what religious significance Valentines Day ever had, but it has none today as far as I know. St Patricks Day is when people drink green beer and puke on their shoes, and Mardis Gras is when girls gone wild videos meet the French Quarter of New Orleans. Christmas is or isnt a religious holiday depending on whether the family in question is focused on manger scenes or Rudolph and a bearded guy that gives away stuff for free.

    Sure, there are religious underpinnings on all of those, but someone celebrating any one of them cannot feasibly be used as an indicator of Christianity. As that seemed to be the entire premise of the thread, I have no idea where you were headed with it. I'm just hoping telling someone "Happy Kwaanza" doesn't make me automatically black... cause it'd be hell to explain to my mom.
     
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    #34
    Why do you always think of rotting teeth that happens when you a give a kid to much chocolate. I think they are over doing it in Mardigra though. Its like your decaying yourself to your belief. These holidays make people happy and a piece of heaven. You on the other hand dont want it coz you fear that you will decay when you do it. You can always do limits to your drinking and eating. Thats why you need to have faith in God coz if you dont, your like a mush thinking always the negative without even thinking the positive. When you are alone you can talk to God in your prayers coz he is always there. You will not be treated as crazy coz God wants to talk to you. In times when you go to travel by yourself and you have no one to talk to you can talk to God. Its like a therapy also.

    I dont know bout this but Mardigra does make a lot of sinners. Dont even bother watching girls gone wild coz you will also go wild. :)
     
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    #35
    Did you find that in the Bible?
     
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    #36
    A common misconception is that Jesus was born at Christmas - this just was not the case.

    The reason we have Christmas on Dec 25 is due to Christianity [while still in its infancy many, many years] chose this date to coincide with a Pagan festival - the name of which I can't recall at the moment - so that the Pagans converted to Christianity could feel at ease on this date.
     
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    #37
    Oviously you dont read it. Its from the Bible.
     
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    #38
    did you take t from the catechism? Because this is NO way in the Bible.
     
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    #39
    the bible doesnt say to celebrate these holidays, but some of the holidays are based on bible as far as i know with or without the gifts, candy or beer.
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #40
    Watch that short clip from above and there it is, - THE ANSWER - SOMETHING LIKE 300AD IT WAS INTRODUCED BY THE ROMANS AS THE BIRTHDAY OF CHRIST, TAKEN FROM A PAGAN HOLIDAY IN AN ATTEMPT TO WIN THEM OVER.
     
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