It is not clear to me and for sake of argument let´s even imagine that is clear but I don´t care and would like to drink and have sex outside of marriage anyway. In your ideal Islamic State, am I free to live as I want or are you going to force me to live the way that you want?
you can see the light but you can not see the darkness, you can not feel it, touch it or smell it. but you still believe that there is a darkness. darkness is nothing but the absence of Light, but you still admire its existence. can you give me darkness in any quantity? We do not believe in God blindly, Our God invite us to observe and find him. In holy Qurán Allah says. In the alternating of day and night there are the signs for those who have a wisdom. We believe Allah because he has given us the proof of his existence. Let me know about a thing which you have never seen before. Can you tell me the name of that thing, its functions and from what that thing made of. You will never tell about it which you have near seen before. The only one who could tell about that is its creator. Similarly. Our god is telling us in Holy Qurán that we, human beings are made of water,clay and clog. The scientists have discovered it few years before but our God is telling it to us 1400 years before. Qurán tells us in detail about water cycle, It tells us that the light of the moon is not its own, it tells us the the Sun is also moving, it tells us about how ants work, it tells us that the world have made after a big bang, it tells us that in initial stage in mother tummy man looks like leech. There are over 1000 verses in the holy Qur'an talking about science. Over thousands verses. The scientists discover it few years before but our God Telling all these things 1400 years before. Who could tell all these 1400 years before? None but our creator. There are so many proofs that Qurán is the world of god, And i could scientifically prove it. Dear brother Islam is a blind believe then why are the peoples coming to Islam. Islam is the fastest growing religion all over the world, Why? Because it is the truth. All religious books have been corrupted and not in their pure form. I am not saying it the leaders of the religions them self admire it. The only Qurán is in its pure form why? because Allah himself promise to guard it. And he challenge to all humankind, if they are right then at least produce a single chapter like Qurán, and he replied that you can't. It is also a proof that there are so many anti Islamic elements but they could not change even a single world of Qurán. Watch This Video of a Christian who reverted to Islam. Dear brother, have you ever seen, touch or smell your mind? if not then i am sorry according to you, you don't have any mind.
i can see darkness. being "dark" is a state. I can see, using my eyes, that something is dark. lol can't you?
Unlike "god", you know when dark is presence (hard to see) Friend, you cannot feel darkness or smell darkness unless one of your friend walks past you and farts, then it will appear to have some foul smell. You said.."but you still admire its existence." there you go, you know it exist (and admitted it) and why did you even try to refer to something which it's existence can be proven so easily. You dint refer to Air, is it because unlike darkness you can FEEL it, but invisible, though if you blow smokes in the air, air reveals it's existence, does it not? Just the feel of it proves it's existence, unlike "god" which has not been seen, nor felt, smell, touch etc,. no proof. Where is the proof of his existence? because someone wrote it on a book and says he existed? That's no proof. It is called a hallucination and this is what it means and it is what you people are actually seeing or believing. Were made up of what??? Clay and clog? WTF. They got some good drugs in that part of the country don't they? So you're giving the credits to "god" for knowing what humans have discovered themselves? Look buddy 'ole pal, the primitive cultures in the jungles have known many things that the modern people are learning from today about natural medicine and other things. You make it sound like as if people dint know much things back then. If you study history you know that in many parts of the world from every continent have discovered many things before the Abrahamic)Jew,Christians,Muslim) religion even existed thousands before. Humans are generally curious, they think and study of things which results of finding many of the things we currently use today, they are called "Scientist", and yes you can refer to those people as Scientist, not "god" and yes, some Scientist can be religious too. I don't know what your referring to what and I don't care, I can tell you that if it has any factual in it, then it was by a man, a man who studies of finding things, ie, a Scientist. If you put Kool-Aid in a glass and poured water into, watch the water turn red,..cool ain't it Why? One word,..beheading. Once in Islam, have to stay in Islam or else. also you promote your religion aggressively with force and please don't deny the fact. Those that remains are mind-fucked since day one, usually poor and ignorant, the well off have some questionable needs and the religion provides those needs, not because of some "miracles" it's from immoral things that would be illegal in a freedom nations. Apostasy in Islam is Death. You say that word as if it was going out of passion. You say "all" I dint say that, your words. Damn, you answered it before I got the chance, no fair. Hate to burst your bubble, but every religion thinks their "holly book" are the shit over the other. So he made a challenge? Why was I not inform about it, darn, miss the opportunity, he replied before I could even act, no fair (again) I can, with this. Like I give a damn, but check this out about Ex-Muslim. Hey you're funny, I know I have a mind because I am able to RESIST anything that ISLAM and the non-sense it's broadcasting. You had just insulted me by the way.
If this is an exhibition of your understanding of science, I can understand why you decided not to reply to my previous post. Then again, I guess it wasn't my first clue. Aw, you gave him the spoiler. There are a few Muslims on this forum that peddle anti-Israeli hate for reasons they can at least justify to themselves. Their information is skewed, filled with half truths, and sometimes outright lies, but at least the information, if presented in isolation, would be meaningful to a normal and educated person(Who doesn't feel sympathy for dead children). The stuff Sultan is trying to sell goes in direct contradiction of science, known modern culture, and recorded history. How is it that one shoulders the burden of trying to sell crap flavored candy? There are some things sane people will never buy. Does he not realize darkness is the lack of light, so your eye most definitely "sees" darkness? Maybe he doesn't know how the eye works. Perhaps he has never been to a western nation to realize christian women don't wear a hijb, or that 99% of western Christians drink alcohol? Maybe he IS aware of all these things, yet continues to sell it because his belief in god orders him to lie to spread his religion. My question: "Is he aware he is spewing nonsense?" My vote: Not on a conscious level. Sultan, I've thought up a more honest slogan you can use to sell your crap flavored candy. "It tastes like Crap!"
It depends on what? I believe humans have the right to think, speak and act freely as long as it is not harmful to others. For example people should have the right to eat and drink what ever they want and believe or not believe in God, is this the type of rights that you mean?
Blessings and mercy of Almighty Allah be on all of you Dear Brothers. After participating in this thread, i have come to know that there are so many misconceptions about Islam. All have their own will, but please, please and please never think as an anti Islam element. I am a sincere well wisher of all of you. I am not forcing you to know about Islam, I am just requesting you that, Please let yourself to read or listen what our creator is saying to us. I am not asking you to become a Muslim, at least read or listen the Holy Qurán to know what is Islam. You can not know anything about Islam unless you read or listen what is in Islamic scripture. Please, please and please listen the words of God Just click the play button, when one Chapter ends, click again to listen next chapter. Just say this , "oh God if you exist then please guide me" If God wish to guide you then , surely he will guide you. Please Listen the holy Qurán I pray to God that he will guide us All.
I tried this once at the blackjack table in Vegas. It didn't work out, so I went back to card counting. Maybe god only blesses those who abandon him for science.
I have no interest in God or becoming a religious person, therefore what Mohmmad said 1400 years ago is of a limited interest to me since we need in today´s world deal with people who claim to be Muslims and what is their wishes and goals in regard to making their ideal society. It is therefore, I find it very strange that while many Muslims claim about western world negativity toward them, when someone is interested to understand their point of view, there is no that many Muslims who are interested in explaining and discussing their point of view.
No. These articles answer both questions: 1. The Nation-State and Social Order in the Perspective of Islam 2. Towards An Islamic Theory of Meta-Religion 3. Islam and Human Rights
Wise words from Ismail Al Faruki What a good guy. No wonder he and his wife met such a pleasant and premature demise. I have no doubt Atheists, agnostics, and people of various other belief systems that don't like the idea of Muslim rule let out a sigh of relief at his passing. Sadly, his words remain to misguide the unwary.
From your link about Islam and human rights: According to this guy we as humans have no rights to decide over ourselves and we all have to accept some things that a guy has said 1400 years ago, dispite the fact that he probably knew less about the world and science than a today´s teenager. There is no freedom and rights and only a dictatorship based on an old book. Is this what you believe? Is this what other Muslims here believe?
If you want to be rude, at least spell name right. Its "al-Faruqi", not "Faruki". I wonder whether you are abused or sodomised when you are child to harbour such wanton hatred and myopic dementia toward people whom you never know? Only sick mental people will celebrate the murder of another human being. I see that Wikipedia entry has been edited and does not reflect Dr. al-Faruqi's true views about how the Jews should live in Muslim world. His views regarding the relationship between Muslim and Non-Muslim are well known, articles already linked earlier. His book "Islam and the Problem of Israel" is online, one can read it here and go through the chapters. @gworld: Please read full article first instead of nitpicking one or two para and think that is summary of the page itself. I think that is silly thing to do, correct?
I read your links and it seems to me this guy was promoting some kind of religious dictatorship based on the assumption that God knows best while I as non believer in God, can not accept that some thing that does not exist and some of old words of wisdom which are over 1500 years old should decide what is right or wrong for me in 2010.
yes, they have the right to eat and drink what they wish, but do you think drinking wine is not harming for others? I believe it is ok for them, (but it is wrong in Islam or the real sense even if it doesn't penalize them and even if it gives them freedom. That doesn't mean that Islam is encouraging such wrong thing). Regarding faith: The person must believe the Truth, he has no right to deny/reject/attack the Truth. But Islam also allow people to be what they wish. There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. (256) With truth have We sent it down, and with truth hath it descended. And We have sent thee as naught else save a bearer of good tidings and a warner. (105) And (it is) a Qur'an that We have divided, that thou mayst recite it unto mankind at intervals, and We have revealed it by (successive) revelation. (106) Say: Believe therein or believe not, lo! those who were given knowledge before it, when it is read unto them, fall down prostrate on their faces, adoring, (107) Saying: Glory to our Lord! Verily the promise of our Lord must be fulfilled. (108) They fall down on their faces, weeping, and it increaseth humility in them. (109) Whatever thing that is shameful like practicing sex, it must be hidden from public except for animals of course as they are low creatures deserve no respect.
Why you are change the topic? Did you not ask what is concept of Islamic state? I give you the articles which answer questions but now you direct attacking on source of Islam, which is the Qur'an? I do not understand your attitude at all. You wish to know Muslim opinion on what Islamic State is all about, but when I give you scholar source, now you say that Qur'an is old, outdated and should not be used as guide. That is already different form of discussion, is it not? Do you really want to know what is Islamic State or are you simply just play play and make fun of Muslim???
interested, i am muslims too, question number 2 2) In the ideal Islamic state is Islam laws such as about drinking, sex outside marriage only for Muslims or for everyone? i will say "all religion have rule about that , not just islam. Muslim man just same , we just same human...nothing perfect. I know about that rule, drinking , etc. But sometimes i am doing something wrong (drinking) and i know it's wrong, like i said before...no body perfect here. You can do anything as long that not make other people mad and you are ready to get "anything" for what you done...
Drinking wine as long as you don't get drunk and disturb others, it is not harmful to others and in some extent moderate drinking can be good for your health. Do I understand correctly that according to you in your IDEAL Islamic state drinking alcohol should be free and personal choice despite Islam rule that forbids it? I don't know why you find sex shameful but nobody talked about sex in public (even western countries have laws against it), are you saying that as long as I have sex in private with a girl (even if I am not married), your IDEAL Islamic state should not disturb my activity or punish me for it? You have provided me links to one source and interpretation of Islam by one guy (Christians have their own share of such crazy religious fanatics too) and I can honestly say that guy's opinions are dangerous and unacceptable. I am interested to know how today's Muslim who want an Islamic state describe their IDEAL Islamic state. Do Muslims know what they want and wishing for or are they imagining some kind of western democracy where they are majority and Islam is the official religion? In regard to Quran, I have the same opinion about Bible, are you saying that in your opinion people are not allowed to not believe in old books and religions? Are you for some kind of religious dictatorship as the author of the links that you provided? Well, I have no religion and therefore no religious rules in regard to drinking or sex. are you saying that in your opinion the choice about drinking and sex in your ideal Islamic state should be to individuals and government should not get involved?
Ismail al-Faruqi is great contemporary Islamic scholar and was recgonised as such by all. The derogatory comment was uncalled for! It seem your modus operandi is repeat same question over and over and over and over again like broken recorder. But already replied to you and still acting like I am stupid fool who dunno how to answer you. You look down on me, your mistake! Keep your opinion to urself then. The Qur'an is not on trial here. You ask what is Islamic State concept and Almarhum Ismail al-Faruqi gave good outline. If you want to talk authority of Quran, not related to your question at all and if you want to dispute then talk about points already given about Islamic view of social justice and treatment of citizens. There are many others who will gave same answer: Syed Naquib al-Attas, Hossein Nasr, and many more.