Which of this is preferred SEO method for the Page?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by mirisaamali, Feb 23, 2010.

  1. #1
    Hi All,

    Sorry about posting another thread on the same day, but this is an urgent question. I want advice from the SEO experts on which is preferred method for optimizing a particular page:

    Type-1: http://childpack.com/2010/02/3-month-baby-feeding-schedule/

    [If you analyze in this page, there is only one keyword in the title tag and that keyword is also repeated in the content and same keyword is also used in the Description tag as well as in the keyword tag]


    Type-2:
    http://childpack.com/2010/01/baby-backpack-makes-you-go-handsfree/

    [If you analyze this page, there are around 3 keywords in the title tag, each of these keywords are repeated twice in the content, and they are used in the description tag as well as keyword tag]

    Which out of these two ways of using keyword would be better for Search Engine Rankings and will stand higher chances of coming up in ranking?

    Hope i am clear in asking my question.

    Note: Only those who have experience and know about this, reply.
    Others who want to increase their post count can please look for other threads!
    :)
     
    mirisaamali, Feb 23, 2010 IP
  2. mirisaamali

    mirisaamali Well-Known Member

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    #2
    NO body wants to answer this? Comeon guys, help me with your experiences plz!
     
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    Revelations-Decoder Well-Known Member

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    #3
    I prefer to target between 3 to five inter related search terms per page myself.

    When I say inter related I mean

    Child Boots

    Child Booties

    Blue Boots

    Blue Booties

    Boys Booties

    so could even go for 6 and do "Boys Blue Booties"

    I would get as much in as possible in the URL so>

    domain.com/boys-booties-childs-blue-boots or something along those lines

    I would use the search terms in the title so they appear in the title bar visually and if it fits add the domain/company name after the search terms.

    I seperate those search prhrases with hyphend and a gap and I do the same for descriptions and don't go too far but slightly elaborate in the description.

    I also do the same for the keyword meta tag but on occasions add the most likely typos here.

    I have had no problems and as long as your keywords are on page as well as appearing in your keyword meta tag I expererience no problems.

    Heck I am even getting results from words appearing in just the keyword meta tag that don't appear on page, but would say it is perhaps better not to go over the top in the keyword meta tag or the title and description with too many similar repititions.

    Trial and eror is the best way to find out.

    You can always have 2 domains and see which performs the best for each experiment to see. At the end of the day it has to come down to experimentation and see what works for you best.

    One persons experience and anothers can differ immensely if only from their past history and whether they learn their lessons or try to find even more tricks - as the keyword stuffing thing RE irrelevant on page content as opposed to using the most likely typos lesson is looking more and more to me to apply.

    PS I didn't look at either of those pages so hope that helps you in your thinking?
     
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  4. mirisaamali

    mirisaamali Well-Known Member

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    Thanks revelation-decoder.

    But is this strategy working for you?

    Also if someone can tell me how much traffic per day should a single article get on a website so that its called high optimized page?
     
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    selectsplat Well-Known Member

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    #5
    It's nearly impossible to estimate how much traffic per day a single article on your website should get.

    The best you can do is use the google keyword tool, and find how much volume a key prhase gets per month, and them estimate how much of that you would get based on your position in the SERP.

    For example, if your search phrase was 'baby boots', and you looked it up in the google keyword tool, using eact search results, and it gets 2000 searches per month, and you're in the top position on that SERPs, then you should probably get a little less than half that much traffic from this one search phrase.

    But when you consider all phrases your page would pull traffic from, combined with all peripheral traffic, bots, referrals, etc, it's impossible to know the true potential of any one page.
     
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    Revelations-Decoder Well-Known Member

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    Yes has been working fine for me Sir

    Just Google any London Borough and the acronym SEO or search engine optimiser (the english not american spelling so "optimiser") and you will see it works fine doing things that way.

    There is a list of London Boroughs for you to have a check here > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_borough
     
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    selectsplat Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but that's not and acceptable test, tbh. The search phrase "London Borough SEO" has exactly 0 pages that are optimized for that search phrase, including yours. Anyone could get to the first page of that SERP. In fact, this very post in this thread will be on the first page of that SERP in the next few minutes.

    Now, the search phrase "London SEO" is a much better phrase to test a little. I notice that your page *is* heavily optimized for that phrase. So, the question is, how are you doing for that phrase?
     
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    selectsplat Well-Known Member

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    #8
    After re-reading your post, I see that you wnat to enter a London Borough and not "London Borough", but it's still not a very good test.

    For the phrase "Islington SEO", there are exactly 5 people on the entire internet that are optimized for that phrase. Not much competition for "Islington SEO", and it would be very easy to achieve first page for that SERP. In a few minutes, this post will appear on the first page of that SERP.

    Are there specific Boroughs you'd like us to look at that have any competition at all, so that we can judge how effective your optimization techniques have been?
     
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    Revelations-Decoder Well-Known Member

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    #9
    Maybe you should re-read what I said fella!

    I have not optimised (heavily) for London SEO at all yet, but each Borough if you read what I said above again.
     
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    selectsplat Well-Known Member

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    #10
    I did, and actually posted an amendment before you posted this.

    The issue is the same though. It's not difficult to get on the first page of a SERP that has no competition.

    So, is there a competitive SERP that you are positioned well for using these techniques?
     
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    Revelations-Decoder Well-Known Member

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    LOL - so I see RE the Borough thing selectsplat!

    But yes many, but I am not going to mention them here. I try to only mention relatively lesser searched terms here for obvious reasons, which you should understand seeing you seem to be in the SEO field to, Yes?

    The point with the London Boroughs though is that a person only ever needs 1 or 2 searchers to ever convert and the jobs a good en.
     
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    He's just all talk, he thinks he knows a lot about SEO where in fact he knows nothing really. His previous works are for non competitive keywords which doesnt really translate to anything significant :)
     
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    selectsplat Well-Known Member

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    #13

    I agree with leveraging low volume, highly targeted long tail keywords to bring in traffic. I think that's an excellent strategy.

    However, for very competitive terms, I don't think it's a good idea to optimize a page for more than 2 key phrases. I think it impedes your progress in positioning well for one of them if you are trying to optimize for 3 or more.

    That's why I wanted to see an example of where you took 3 very competitive SERPS, optimized on all of them the way you described, and ranked well for all of them.
     
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    selectsplat Well-Known Member

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    Most of the advice he offered is sound. I only had one small point of contention.

    I just don't think it's a good idea to advise people to optimize on more than 2 key phrases for competitive terms. And really, for all pages except your homepage, I recommend only ONE key phrase.
     
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    Revelations-Decoder Well-Known Member

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    Yes I see what you mean and sort of agree, but I have found in my experience that when you stick to targeting 4 or 5 very inter related search terms on a page this works well

    Let's not get confused here though as I am not suggesting tings along the lines of trageting "pink booties" and blue booties" on the same page as that should obviously be a secondary thing and thought put in as a "you may also be interested in" type of way and not targeted in the pages actual SEO.

    @LBP I see you are on the attack again Sir!
     
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  16. LBP

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    You should see his other posts, he said he can take a site from page 2 to page 1 within a month for just £100. He doesnt even know the keyword yet. To me thats ruining people's expectation about SEO. Now people thinks SEO is cheap and easy where in fact its not. He's all talk..
     
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    Firstly you should understand that Google is not considering meta-tags anymore. EVen you will find websites or webpages which do not have anything in meta-tags.

    Secondly, keywords are considered in contents but not too much. Keywords are used in anchor text when getting links from some external sources.

    Even i have found websites which do not have any thing in meta-tags and nor even they repeat keywords in their contents and are still ranked higher. One reason i found was their domain were containing the keywords and even the website was completely new...
     
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  18. mirisaamali

    mirisaamali Well-Known Member

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    Well LBP, let them have a good conversation, something is coming out of it to learn.

    No attacks guys, just discuss this since this topic is crucial for all.
     
    mirisaamali, Feb 25, 2010 IP
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    mirisaamali Well-Known Member

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    But this isn't true. Google doesn't disregard all the META tags. Title tag, description and keywords in content still plays major role in bringing your page up.
     
    mirisaamali, Feb 25, 2010 IP