A devoted christian man beat his wife in the front of the kids

BINGO!

It's like "why can't I wear a burqa if I move to Canada (UK/USA/Australia/EU) (//and it's BECAUSE we have rules against it - if you WANNA wear a burqa - don't move here, just like we don't insist on you allowing your women to get naked on the beach -- and it's NOT like we want to see your bearded ladies!) and not "why don't we stop the ones that kill Canadian (USA/UK/Australian/EU) troops which makes us look bad".

Gotta love this point of view - EVERYONE else (non-Muslims) is doing bad but Muslims that suicide bomb people, try to blow airplanes off of the sky, attack New York, London, Mumbai, etc... are always the poor victims that have to defend themselves.

The best excuse I've found for this from Muslims is that "ones that do it are not true Muslims so why should we talk to them" -- super nice excuse, just doesn't have a basis to it, since Bin Laden and co. would really like to differ as to who is a real Muslim and who is not.

....so why do you keep writing about what bad Christians and anyone else does, if you cannot notice a brick in your own eye?

I'd say clean up your religion and its believers first --SO PEOPLE ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOU (!!!)-- then you can have a moral right to dictate to others what they should do.

So far though... hearing accusations from people whose own kind blow up planes, trains, restaurants, cut off heads of hostages, etc... ...especially about one Christian beating up his wife... seems to be just "a little" far fetched (especially if we'll go into the aspect of WHAT women have to endure in Islam).

Makes me sick, to be exact.

 

i'm not trying to make the view of islam better, but why you have no objection when others insults on islam?
what?
other can insult on islam, but muslim can't?

what? and you complaining if we run sharia law on our own country?
and your women complaining if they HAVE to wear hijab when they visiting a muslim country?
and they complaining that they can't celebrate valentine in muslim country?

They CAN, and we CAN'T?

 

YOU are the ones that are complaining, if you can and did follow the news.

Burqa/niqab bans in UK/France made a lot of news lately. Why did it happen? *Muslims* claiming that they should be able to dress how they want to.

In the meantime, no one mentions what happens to "provocatively dressed" Western female tourists in such countries as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Yemen, etc?

And as a Muslim, you shouldn't be lying, because that is something that Allah is against, no? According to Hadiths you can only lie to (actually: mislead) an enemy at war, so unless you see me as this enemy (and trust me, I am not and will not be fighting against you unless you try to invade us and force your way of life upon us) your religion should not allow you to lie.

La Illah el Allah - does He allow you to lie NOW?

So, WITHOUT LIES, can you be honest, and say that Muslim countries TOLERATE scandily-clad/provocatively-dressed female tourists where local people live?

If you believe in Allah like you claim you do, then you have no reason to lie, and you will answer me honestly....

What happens to a Western female tourist that travels the streets of Saudi Arabia in her swimming clothes (= panties and bra) and why can't she do it?

...or how about tourists drinking alcohol in Saudi Arabia?

Let's just put ourselves on the same page, because I was a tourist numerous times in the Arabian Gulf region and I know 100% what goes on there.

I know YOUR rules, and I do follow them when I visit YOUR countries. I do not drink alcohol on the street, my g/f is not dressed in pants and bra (even though it's very hot!), etc...

But WHY do you think that when YOU come here we have to change the rules for you? Because you are special and we are not? Maybe because of your special religion (yeah, I know we're infidels)? Because this country belongs to you (trust me, it doesn't)? Because we think that we're worse than you, so we should allow you to have your rules here while compromising on our rights in Your countries?

Basically you appeal to OUR DEMOCRATIC rules to try and force us to let you do whatever you want to do culture/religion-wise ON OUR TERRITORY. Meantime no one speaks about foreigners in Saudi Arabia being arrested just because they attempted to drink some alcohol or dressed "non-properly". Double standards, anyone?

Basically, once I see you caring about OUR rights in YOUR countries, I will listen to you. Till then, just stay home and stop immigrating in masses towards our countries if you do not want a cultural clash. And honestly, there's a non-stop influx of Muslims into OUR, Western lands. NOT the other way around -- so, please DO show me a (even only one!) Muslim country where Christians are moving en mass and I'll say that I am wrong. The point is that it doesn't happen this way = we don't move to middle east and demand religious rights. It's actually YOU who move here and DEMAND that we listen to you while IGNORING the demands we have for when we visit YOUR countries.

Tough luck, I'd say.

 

love it
just see the reaction how everyone is so pissed off on the mere mention of a 'Christan' committing something bad

Oh no; Christians are the best people in the world. They are all so innocent, and kind, and loving. there were no kiilings and war in world in time of Christans it all started after Muslims and these
ww1, ww2, the crusades, nuking of Hiroshima Nagasaki .. all was done by Muslims

 

new and you are the one to judge the Christians? RIGHT.. and for your information most of the Christians I've met are kind and loving I can't say the same about Muslims but I guess we can blame the corrupted Muslim leaders for brain washing you.

 

OK i cant judge Christians but certainly you can judge and pass point blank remarks at Muslims like you just did

 

Nobody said you can't insult others. You can and you did. Now deal with it when someone calls you out on it.

Shit, you come right out and admit you were trying to Insult Christianity. How pathetic and sad that you think your God wants you to insult people. Either you are a fool or your God is - you tell me.

 

Who insulted who exactly? I do not think DP moderators will allow insults, unless if you see the OP's post as an insult, despite it is similar to most of your threads that you started here in R&P section. Were you trying to insult Muslims in these threads? and that's why you see this thread as an insult?

You are like wisdomtool when he asked for the motive of the OP as if it is the first time he sees "such threads" and you as a one who started so many of "such threads" - you are never accepting or trying to improve problems in your community but instead point to Muslims to try to make yourself look better,

it would make sense for you as a person who lives in USA to point your problems, before pointing to Saudi for example, because you have much more higher crime, abuse, robberies ...etc rates there:

Murder statistics in USA is 8.5 murders per 100,000, while in Saudi it is 0.75 murder per 100,000

Rape in USA is 31.7 rape crimes per 100,000, while in Saudi it is 0.22 rapes per 100,000

robberies in USA is 138.36 per 100,000, while in Saudi it is: 2.16 per 100,000

Prisoners in USA are 673 prisoners per 100,000, while in Saudi it is 105 prisoners per 100,000

in general total crimes in USA is 3959 per 100,000 while in Saudi it is 313 per 100,000

Yet mostly you been pointing at Saudi in your posts, so please follow your own advise, and try to improve your problems there

 

what about all the women in saudi arabia add them to your prisoners calculation, how much is it? half the population ?

 

That's why so many European women are reverting to Islam! they like to be prisoners

Why European women are turning to Islam

 

"Muslims in the world ranges between 1.3 - 1.8 billion, with the most accepted figure being around 1.6 billion"

"In 2009 the population of Europe was estimated to be 830.4 million according to the United Nations"

according to your article several thousands men and women (those are the percise words) are converting to Islam every year, out of 810 (20 million muslims are currently living in europe, not including turkey) million people do you consider several thousands men and women every year "many"?

we didn't even check the percentages of the reason this people convert, do all of them convert because they read the Quran and had an enlightenment or just like you said, maybe they enjoy being treated like prisoners?

edit:

hey look imad! the dictionary doesn't agree with you either

sev·er·al (svr-l, svrl)
adj.
1. Being of a number more than two or three but not many


i thought you said "That's why so many European women are reverting to Islam!"
glad that i could help you understand the text you read better

 

Oh, I SO saw this coming to this. Yep, let's cite events that are over 60 years old and are factually incorrect. Because you cannot disprove not ONE of my facts from the CURRENT TIME AND DATE (and I'll repeat myself, just so you could read them again):

- Not ONE suicide bomber (incredibly - EVER) was a Christian. Muslim suicide bombers are on the news daily.
- Not ONE Christian person ever brought down a plane with a suicide bombing or attempted to.
- Christians do not practice "honor killings".
- Christians have no concept of war against infidels or "non-believers".
- Christians don't make women second class citizens without a right of voice and a niqab or hijab all over them.
- Christians didn't do 9/11, London bombings, Spanish bombings or Mumbai terror attacks.

...well, because you cannot disprove even ONE of these facts from TODAY (like, e.g.: find even ONE CHRISTIAN suicide bomber...) you resort to digging in very, very old history, that neither of us were alive to witness.

And you know what? I'll be the first to admit:
#1) Christians did some VERY very bad things in the past.
#2) There's some very, very bad Christians. In fact some of the biggest mass murderers in the history of this world were Christian (e.g. Adolf Hitler).

However, AT THE MOMENT - AT THIS EXACT DATE AND TIME OF OUR HISTORY Christians don't represent even 1/10 of the threat that radical islamists represent to the WHOLE WORLD, and the facts I cited speak for themselves. Even the last radical Christian terror group - IRA recently disarmed itself.

Just to prove my point: did you hear about any terror attacks attributed to radical Christians regarding blowing up a plane, attacking a foreign embassy, taking a hostage and cutting off his/her head in the last year (2009)? Now, how many times did you hear about a Muslim being behind such an attack?

Basically I speak from actual statistics regarding such things as blowing up cars, self-blowing shahids, blowing up planes, hostage takings, hostage killings, attacks on foreign embassies or foreign tourists... as well as all unsuccessful attempts at that. Muslims do literally 80% of all that worldwide if you'll analyze terror attacks, with the other 20% belonging to non-Muslim local separatist or ideological movements that do not operate because of religion (e.g.: leftists in Latin America, separatist movements in different parts of Africa, etc....). And the scary part is that those radical Islamists do all these attacks because of what they believe their religion says, while the rest of the Muslims just stand around and watch (sometimes clapping).

Anyway, you're on a webmasters forums (that's what Digital Point is). Webmasters HAVE to understand statistics if they want to be successful in that. So go ahead and do your own statistics and prove mine wrong, if you think that I am wrong.

And please stop referencing ancient history when we're talking about today, especially if you don't know history. Specifically, don't write about WWI and WWII - Muslims fought in BOTH of these wars for various sides, as well as Christians and people of other religions did, so saying that only Christians killed and were killed in WWI and WWII simply illustrates either your ignorance or fatal flaws in elementary education.

 

did I lie?
when did I lie?
please point it to me, when where how did I lie
otherwise you the one who lie, accusing me that i lied.

 

I did not try to offend you. I am just calling you to answer HONESTLY, no lies.

What happens to a Western female tourist that travels the streets of Saudi Arabia in her swimming clothes (= panties and bra) and why can't she do it?

...or how about tourists drinking alcohol in Saudi Arabia?​

Please answer, honestly.

Meantime Muslims are crying because they can't wear burqas/niqabs in OUR countries?

 

Anyone who beat his wife in front of the kids needs mental help, it has nothing to do with religion.

 

Wrong...

The 19-year old Loula Abboud, a dark curl kissing her forehead and a golden cross around her neck. A Lebanese Christian, she was one of the first women to earn the title of istishhadiyah when she blew herself up in 1985 as Israeli troops moved in to capture her guerilla group near the town of Aoun in southern Lebanon.

hmm, this can hold both:

why do they want to suicide when they have other options? like shooting down civilian planes with missiles?

Iran Air Flight 655, also known as IR655, was a civilian airliner shot down by US missiles on Sunday 3 July 1988

and more...

Plane shoot-downs by the United States or one of its clients seem never to result in punishment for the villains or justice to the victims. But when the United States or one of its clients is the victim, punishment and some kind of "justice" is often forthcoming

Wrong...

Scotland Yard believe there were 12 'honour killings' in the UK last year and said they were not restricted to Muslims, but also occurred in Sikh and Christian families.

Wrong...

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.(Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

besides crusades, China, India, Rwanda, Native Americans, and many more, in almost everywhere Christianity is a majority now, there been a bloodshed to force it on people, read some history, including recent history.

Wrong..

read your own bible:

"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

Any man who prays or propehsies with something on his head disgraces his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled disgraces her head--it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, she should wear a veil. For a man ought not to have his head veiled, since he is the image and relection of God; but woman is the reflection of man.

a good reading about this big subject:

WOMEN IN ISLAM VERSUS WOMEN IN THE JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN TRADITION

Right! congratulations!! at last!!!

Christians though did much more horrible crimes, like nuclear attacks! need some sources?

 

how is that the above are acts of terrorism whereas bombing from B52s, drones, cruise missiles , daisy cutters is NOT terrorism ?

and NOTHING is FACT here, it is your own opinion to term others as TERRORISTS whereas hailing your own-self as some pious innocent creature.
Forgetting that you are your-self sitting on piles of nukes and chem/bio weapons and spending billions of dollars on armed forces and funding other terror groups like isrealis for their terrorist activities

and what about the hundred thousand people who have been killed in iraq ? and checkout http://iabhopal.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/who-is-breeding-terrorism/ for more of your 'achievement's in RECENT PAST

 

quite simple really. We are killing scummy little coward murderers and your guys are trying to murder people in trains while going about their day. See how that works?

 

I can say the same thing for you and your ugly little neozionist friends

 

I'm Canadian, we ain't in Iraq, and we were against the invasion from the start... if only yanks would've listened. We have no nukes and no biochems.

However we are in Afghanistan, and dare I say - I 100% support the mission because talis are like venomous snakes and we can't have them 9/11 or London/Madrid-bomb or Mumbai us or our friends once again. Also that heroin traffic MUST be stopped.

Furthermore, drones, cruise missiles, battle robots, cornershots and everything else are an essential part of war these days, unless you want to be on the receiving end. The difference is that we wanna protect our guys - no concept of shihada here once again . Grow up and get some tech of your own and stop complaining or something.

As for Israelis - they've got the only WORKING democracy in the middle east, so hell knows we'd rather protect them than people that want sharia law that's bad for us as an end result. It's just in our interests, you know.