Indians racial attacks in Australia?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by chimpysmith, Feb 10, 2010.

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Do you belive attacks on Indians in Australia are racialy motervated?

  1. Yes, for sure

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  2. Australia? WTF where is that?

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  3. No,there not

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  1. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #21
    Well, this is serious topic. Sarcasm may turn things worse. I feel that it is a misunderstanding. No doubt there were racially motivated attacks, but these were sensationalized by the media and the politicians tried to take advantage of it. Overall IMHO, Australia is a tolerant society, the attacks were done by an absolute minority by criminal elements. Reference to Pauline Hanson and the likes were unjustified as the One Nation was long gone out of power.
     
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    #22
    did I complain any such incident ?? may be you are over-reacting to the topic :p

    I think you haven't read my past posts, better study that for all aussies are racists or not according to me :p

    I have lots of friends in australia, non-Asians too, so racism doesn't lie in each individual

    why bother about media, when both sections of indian and aus media are giving a total opposite stories to each other, its not just indian media highlighted the incidents even BBC, CNN have tele-casted about the incidents

    any how just chill off, we all know not all are good and not all are bad, so we have to give the minority section a chance to survive if they are in danger, its only denial mode from aus. govt. creating tensions across the borders

    ~peace~~peace~~peace~~peace~
     
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    #23
    really? i kinda thought otherwise after reading this.

    but i completely agree with you, it's just a media beat up. i was having a conversation with an Indian taxi driver the other week who said exactly the same thing.

    the problem is the majority of Indians tend to live in the lower socioeconomic suburbs where there are more problems. they don't get bashed because they are Indian, they get bashed because some dude needed his next hit.
     
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    Melbourne : Indian students living in Australia have slammed Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Simon Overland’s advice that they should not work as taxi drivers and should “look as poor as you can” to avoid being assaulted.

    Comments/your thoughts guys.
     
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    #25
    So when you see this headline in today's papers

    Foreigners targeted as nine die in bomb blast

    which country does it make you think of? Australia? or India?




    I haven't ever seen a headline like this coming out of Australia!
     
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    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    Why should a student be working as taxi drivers when he should be studying in Australia? Isn't it kinda of abusing the student visa? He should be send home to drive all he wants.

     
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    you will not hear any of such in comparison to India, because u don't have a neighbor who uses terror as a source of attack to win an upper hand, the blame has to be shared by US for this, it was CIA ploy to indulge terror groups to attack russian army from afghanistan with the help of pakistan, as most countries would do, pakistan after completing the task set by CIA, decided to make the same strategy on India to win its part, but India isn't as weak as the afghan occupied russians to tolerate a mess by a rivalry nation. Pakistan supports terror against India no matter of what it tries to expose to the remaining nations, now this has to be different debate, so its better we not go in too deep :p


    may be if new zealand turns into a terror ground, you will realize what I am talking about, its easy for some one to debate on a topic 1000's of miles away rather than some one who is used to it

    and just for your information, its again I feel real sorry for you to bring a sad news into a topic which has no relevance to racism, instead of showing your condolence for the loss ones, are you trying to make a topic out of it ?? Its 24hr old news, it happd on saturday even 6:52pm (IST, gmt +5.5hrs)

    only 2 foreigners were dead and around 12 injured in the attack, the remaining were of Indian origin, there were 9 deaths and 60 casualties so who are the target ? 2 : 9 ??

    may be if US had given Indian agencies a permission to interrogate Headley, this could have been avoided, now I am not going to make an excuse for the blasts or any other to support my nation, you may try asking the germans and the Oslo commune if they wish to flee away from the region, the simple answer is no, no one can weaken our community with cheap terror attacks, an attack has to be face to face and not a cowardly one

    hmmm.... I am beginning to wonder, what does the terror plot got to do with racism :rolleyes: Its more over as diverting a topic :p

    I have said earlier and I would say again, its not that racist attacks are not similar to cowardly terror strikes, India is a vast nation with second largest population in the world and I can say proudly and bravely these terror plots are not going to make me sick to travel to another part of my country, as a foreigner, I would always advise them to be in touch with the local embassies
     
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    so you seem to support the statement, since a lad is working in another land he is open to attacks ?? Is there a law stating your point ?


    I don't support students exploiting their visas, but you pt. sounds bizarre to me, he hasn't come to aus to settle as a taxi driver, he drives as a part time job to fill his bank balance, if he really lives in aus to make a living as an cab driver you can very well claim your pt. as 100% correct, but here that's not the deal

    if you find a lad mis-using his/her visa, cancel it and send them back to India, its as simple as that, why do u want to connect racism to it ?
     
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    #29
    When did I say that? Aren't you blatantly putting words into my mouth?

     
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    so what does this mean :

    it looks to me as if you were supporting at least in-directly to my statement, now what the cop has said is wrong, instead of opposing the cop you were abusing some one who is beaten up or a sensitive issue

    the student who resides in aus just to work as cabbie must be sent home, but if a student is a working as part time cabbie to meet his expenses, then how fair is it to send him home ? do u want this kid to be involved in legal crimes to make up his financial requirements during his study period ?
     
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    #31
    They were targeted because of their race/nationality.

    Indians living in Australia aren't subjected to that kind of misery.

    As for old news, due to time lines it's only just hit our papers and I don't think the families of the victims will feel it's "old news" for a while yet. I doubt people planning trips to India feel it's "old" either.

    If someone who was obviously neither Indian nor Anglo Saxon asked me which was the safer country to travel in I know what I'd recommend.
     
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    This isn't a misery and there is no guarantee of a terror plot gunned down at australia, its just u have been lucky enough to face off a few shaves

    its not a old news for them, this will never be too, I mentioned to much earlier in the topic, if you wish to travel to some part of international origin make sure u get a good knowledgeable person and be in touch with the embassy, I am not going to defend or oppose your stance on visiting to India r africa, that's totally up to you,

    these are much better than belting down a kid by a group of men just because of his race, here the attacks weren't b'coz of race but to show their cowardly act to be still alive

    as u feel they were targeted for nationality the Osho commune was the best target they could have chosen in Pune, but that's not the issue down here, the cowards chose a soft target, the hard target was the Osho, they feel they are secure and they want continue living in India, so when they are not having problems living in my motherland I don't care about some one's view who has no clue the exact background of the status but complaints about it, I am not saying about u sarah, I am just stating this in general

    I can understand its a sort of gamble for you to bring your family - as you don't live or been to India to understand our way of living , but I can guarantee India is one of the best places to visit in the world, once up on a time from richest nation in the world to the current state but still no one can scare us away r make us feel threatened, we love what we do that's how simple as it gets

    we are not violence callers and we prefer to stay in resistance despite the wrong doings by other nations, the x nation feels as if they have won but they would never understand the meaning of a peace state (n.w.r to aus)


    you can't try to divert the topic from a racist attack to a terror attack, I would still claim my old stance, India is still safer than aus for Indians, one or 2 terror strikes isn't going to make an un-safe state, if you feel it is, then you are highly mis-guided or non-open to the original facts laid down on the table


    and just for the info, in India we Indians are not targeted for racist attacks nor we target visitors, so you gotta understand that, racism is insulting a person based on his background and its no where comparable to an terror plot
     
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    #33
    Now that you've qualified it, yes I'm sure that any country that isn't engulfed in a civil war will be safer for it's own citizens than some other country.

    That however doesn't mean Australia is unsafe - it just means that like any country there are a few bozos.

    I suspect more wives are beaten in domestic violence incidents in Australia than Indians in racial attacks. Does that mean its not safe to be a married woman in Australia?

    or that more children are abused than Indians... so its not safe to be a child there either?
     
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    I mean it literally a student should be studying and not taking of the opportunity to work in Australia! Please DO not twist my sentences. Yes you are right to say that if a student just come to Australia to work, he should be send back. He should not making use of studying as an excuse to work here.

    There is nothing racist about sending him back. ALL students be they Indians, Chinese, whatever are not allow to use their student visas for working. Why should there be an exception for Indians?

    Then I guess you need to relook because you are wrong, I did not support abusing anyone. I am saying students should not use the loop hole of studying in Australia and instead work (mostly full time). There is no such thing as indirectly, again you twist our words. Can I say that due to your statement I assume that you indirectly support the Mumbai gunner? You can't find anything to say and you are just trying to put the labels on others.

    So are you threatening us with legal crimes unless you are given all that you demand? Maybe in your society you have legal crimes. But for us, a crime is a crime, there is no such thing as a legal crime. A crime committed by anyone of any race will have to suffer the consequences of the laws.


     
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    #35
    My oh my this thread has got a little heated

    Has anyone considered the fact that attacks on Indians in Australia if they we're indeed partially racially motivated could be perpetrated by young aggressive adolescents who cannot differentiate between Indians and Muslim exteremists and so act out of fear because of the things perpetrated by these so called Muslims?

    Not to take away from any number of reasons things happen. Sadly this world we live in is not exactly the nicest of places at times tbh.
     
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    Trying not to bring Muslims into the picture :) . They suffered enough discrimination. Just trying to say, in every society, they have their own scums. But in no way should the action of the radical minority be used to characterized an entire society. All of us condemned such racist attacks and hope that those criminals be taken to justice.


     
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    Yeah sorry to mention Muslims as they take a lot of stick and I wasn't implying anything against Muslims my point was the odd attack happens here and there (not just in Australia) by young thugs who to some extent are reacting to the so called extremists using the banner of Islam to perpetuate violence and fear.

    There is though a problem with how certain elements of certain places react to anyone they perceive as possibly Muslim due to the extermists activities and understanding this may help everyone get along a bit better imho.

     
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    #38
    This whole thread is total BS.

    Australia is not a racist county. Think it is, don't think it is - whatever the hell you like.

    Visit here, then tell me it's racist.

    Fuck man, Indians are statistically safer here than in India.
     
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    #39
    Did you forget to put a link in that last post alexispetrov?

    But you are right the whole thread went a bit mad - but then my Dad once told me when in his local (or any other Pub) stay away from discussing 3 subjects

    Football - Religion - Politics

    The drinking and the way the night ends is a lot better when they are avoided :)
     
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    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why P&R threads are tucked away in their own little corner :)
     
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