For All who are brainwashed by the media

You assume that none of us have seen you in reality. You're wrong.

StOx has made it clear he has, in London.

He isn't the only one. I've seen some horrific shit done by Muslims in my life, and I'm only in my 20s - I've seen first hand some of the stuff that you say doesn't happen - I've seen it in a Muslim country, committed by Muslims, with many watching on and cheering.

The day that rape is equal to making love, Islam will be the religion of peace.

Until then don't assume that just because we live in the west we haven't spent time in Muslim countries, seeing what goes on, watching some poor kid get lit on fire because he's from America.

He was 7. SEVEN. Justify that. Justify a bunch of you people cheering, dragging his fucking body through the streets. There were at least 100 of you - no one did anything to stop it.

But no, if you hate Muslims you must be a racist, it couldn't possibly be because you've seen first hand that they're a bunch of animals - you're just ignorant! It's the religion of peace.... so long as you're a Muslim.

 

hahahaha Alexis , All what you said comes from complete Ignorance .

I had many American friends in school , And nobody used to hate them and we were treating them very good and welcoming them .. P.S I see that you are very lovely and Full of love

I see also your society has no problems and no thieves , No Crimes , No Suicides , No Family killing .. Also you are very peaceful with other countries , You just kill millions in Iraq to Make Peace in Iraq and Help Them to live free - I think they will when they are dead - , No sexual assaults , No scamming , No hatred as I clearly see - you just hate people and say yeah , Hatred comes from them , Kill them and when they defend themselves you say oh they are killing us -

At the end you are very good people , Peaceful and Very Very Innocent , I'm just crying now because of the crimes our society and Wars which we declared . Nuclear bombs which we used against Japan - It was for the sake of peace yeah , wasn't it ? - Oh , and was it "we" or "you" ??!

Conquering countries from the 17th century till the 20th century was for the sake of peace , Killing black people America was for the sake of love I know . Driving slaves from Africa was for the sake of work I guess ? Punishing and killing them were for the sake of making a better future for them . Being narrow minded is for the sake of a better world I know .

 

Neither do I , Anyway He is a Human Being .

And he wrote this article :

http://www.newswithviews.com/Brownlow/david24.htm

I guess he was an artist . Anyway I don't know why I even mentioned his name here Maybe because I was reading his article before replying .


I know that the quote was said by :

Walter Laqueur

 

You really don't get it. This is not one of the community meetings you hold on Indonesia. This is not a group of 80 deciding a church needs to be burned and you may not really get that part, but most people here are really not that interested in what Islam has or doesn't have to offer.

You don't seem to understand freedom and are not able to handle it well. This sort of debate would not exist where you are without violence.

Maybe you need to first get yourself some manners and then come back here and talk like a human being and not some 3rd world country radical.

 

and you the one who keep telling lies about indonesian people
now, i ask the question again?

how you know that indonesian people will burn the torah if being sold in indonesia?

and which community meeting that i hold? another lies?

not interested in islam? but this forum FULL of thread bashing islam? can you read? or playing dumb? or just stupid?

violence?
ooo... my little words hurt you?

freedom? maybe you to one who didn't understand it. or maybe the way your understand that you-white people-christian, have the freedom while i -asian-muslim, don't have it?

i'll show manners to someone who earn it, i do not need to show manners to a liar like you.

 

The convert to Islam did not say why he quit the Catholic church but did pronounce Islam a religion of peace by association with its members than its writings - there is more sympathy for the Palestinians in the West than the media allows to be heard but the writings against woman and strict Islamic laws until changed will be the alliey the Israelis can depend on for Western support despite their own perverted texts. - - So in the end it is the writings that are most important than the actual ways of the flock and who ever is trying to change the writings (text) for the good that isn't persecuted but is the solution to the turmoil. Religious text not the religion is the downfall.

 

Interesting video. I think I gained a more accurate picture of the real Iran situation from this video though. Am I the only one who has seen this?

 

It's nice to see you, Obamanation. My speakers don't work very well, but I think I found the text for the video. Is this it, Iran So Far?

 

I don't care about what people write about Islam. It makes no difference. I do not care about Islam, am not interested in Islam and have no interest in hearing about it. You seem to be obsessed following everyone around using the word "Islam". Are you running some sort of script finding those posts?

I have not lied. I may have generalized from time to time, but both you and I know how much religious violence takes place in Indonesia.

Maybe to you it's not a big deal and maybe you think they are doing Allah's work. But either way, you are not qualified to hold intelligent discussions.


So please stop replying to my posts with your useless nonsense. All posts made by you can easily be summed up into a one liner such as "Islam is great".

 

Islam is great, there is no doubt, if you want to deny, it is up to you, if you want to debate, then go ahead, put it in comparison to every religion you know, what it have gave, what it did, and let's see who can stand longer,

Islam stood longer, than any other belief, or religion, because it makes sense, and let you be honest with yourself, when Christians nations, did not care about Christians or their holy places in the East, Islam was protecting them, and their holy places, for without Islam, there won't be Churches in the holy lands till now

even till now, the ones who take care of Christian holy places, in occupied Palestine, are the Jordanians, and the Hashmite family, the descenders of the prophet pbuh, and watching them for any try to humiliate their holiness, or attack them, as the illegal state of hate tried to do several times:

for about 800 years Islam was protecting these places, and just in about 40 years, the Zionists made several tries already, to destroy them, humiliate them, and attack them.

I do not think you see these in the first pages in your media? or this one:

Egypt has completed the restoration of reputedly the world's oldest Christian monastery, called Saint Anthony's.

you or some others, only pick whatever can be invested in mongering hate, to rush and post it, and speak hate dribbling opinions, about a religion they almost know nothing about it.

in another thread, I have seen a Hindu member posting a video of Wafa Sultan, who is an opportunist, and I have seen another member, expressing how great is the vidoe, just after 14 minutes, of posting her last post before this, knowing that the the video length is 10 minutes - in 14 minutes, she was able to watch it, analyze it, verify the info mentioned in it, and add it to Facebook, and other social networks, then come to write a post about how great is that video?!

This speaks loudly, about how are such people are in so hurry and so desperate to find anything that can be summed up into one liner, Islam is bad, Islam is evil ..etc of these cliches that been used for centuries, without really affecting Islam, and the spread of it, around the world, in Indonesia for example, despite no Muslim army ever reached there, and in your own Western countries, where women, enter Islam more than men, despite all the bad you try to convince them with about how Islam is bad for women.

Wafa Sultan, been exposed several times, even by her own friends, in case you missed them, I post a start link for you:

WAFA SULTAN: Reformist or opportunist?

and this is not the only, just a start as I said.

Christians in West are so bigot and hateful to Islam, but is that the case of Christians of East? I have posted so many testimonies and letters of them here, check back my posts, and here is a new one from also an Arabian Christian, who very much dislike the Western racism and bigotry:

Raid Khoury – Christian Arabs remain the best situated to combat the demonization of Islam


From which I'd like to quote:

So Muslim brothers and sisters, do not let those hate filled people, effect your message, and make you reply the hate with hate, we do not learn from them, we learn from the great teachings of Islam, and the great example for all mankind, Mohammad pbuh.

 

So You believe any everything you hear ??!

You talk as if you know everything about us , Which I can see is 100% wrong , Nothing of what you say is present in our society (Not taking unique cases in consideration ) .

Are you Educated ? Which College or School ?!

 

Do you think being educated assures that you aren't an idiot? I'll admit it helps, but here is an MIT grad who also so happens to be a terrorist who also so happens to be a Muslim. Here is another moron with an advanced degree from a quality school. And another with an upbringing of privilege and education. If you are going to try and sell us the idea that you are somehow more knowledgeable about the subject because you have a degree from some western school, perhaps you should save those logical fallacies for your friends at the mosque.

Actually, Islam is relevant thing all of the above people had in common with the uneducated people who commit the same types of acts. Two of the three people above got the advice they needed to go down the terrorism path from the same Muslim cleric, Anwar Al-Awlaki. Of course he isn't the only muslim cleric advocating this type of behavior. People like Anjum Chaudri and many others promote Muslim violence against Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

By reading your posts, it would appear that information is to you as water is to a rock, so I won't waste more time throwing information at you which has undoubtedly been presented to you many times over. Instead, in parting I'll leave you with two truths for your consideration.

1) You may not consider terrorists "real muslims" but people like you who go about howling about the evils of the west do almost as much to promote anti-islamic sentiment in the west as the terrorists themselves.

2) Aafia Siddiqui will almost certainly become a lesbian, if she is not one already, in the detention center she will call home for the rest of her life. If you didn't condemn her for being a terrorist, do you now condemn her for being a Muslim who has turned to homosexuality?

[Edit] Regarding Indonesia, most of that country is an impoverished pit, prone to violence, Bali being the exception. Interestingly, Bali is non-Muslim. When violence did come to Bali, guess who brought it. Thats right, a Muslim. Coincidence?

 

Do you think that being a American assures that you aren't an idiot ?
but here is a MIT grad, who was convicted by a kangaroo court in America!


http://www.freeaafia.org/
http://www.cageprisoners.com/
http://www.draafia.org/

 

@ Obamanation , Terrorists you talk about aren't considered muslims .

Do you remember the crusades in the 13th century ? They were hiding under religion but they had political aims not religious , same like these people .
Also you never respond about any question about your country , when I asked alot of questions here , No body could give a direct reply to it !

 

- Nothing of what you say is present in our society

Non of them are talking about your society, per say - it is the text of your religion they are talking about that may not reflect your society but is its underpinnings. - - All three religions: Islam, Christianity and Judaism to be true to the same Almighty will have to reconstitute their writing in accordance to their similar beliefs to realize the path to the everlasting is an open road to be yet found than exists presently. All three are bigoted and is the command of the Almighty to find the answer. ...By the way does Islam begin in the Garden of Eden?

 

do u think there is a necessity for us to go back to 13th century, lets try to live in the current generation, there's a saying in my language as - one who can't take care of self, how do u expect him to take care of others
that was just out of context, just thought of sharing it

now coming to the pt, its agreed the majority population of terrorists are muslims whether you agree or not, the major reason for that is because of the prevalence of the extremism in the religion, its not every one follows it but mostly the arab nation muslim leaders follow it and force people to follow it, just like in a stupid town in britain yoga was banned - the reason claimed was it was a hindu practice , what does a religion got to do with exercises and schools were forced to stop teaching children

I have been personally to few mosques where the kids are taught urdu and quran, I have noted some teachers to be too much involved in subjects that they tend to provoke the innocent minds, children grasp anything and every thing easily and its the same reason for more and more terrorist groups involving from muslims

as far as my country goes,we are not against muslims, we have almost mosque in every little village and probably one little mosque in every junction in cities. I agree mostly western media has shown more bad about muslims than good, that's because of the regional religious leaders who were scared of the muslim religious growth in other part of the world, its more over like suppressing communism in western nations

media has show to both good and bad, but mostly media of today is interested in showing bad rather than good as more bad gets higher TRP

 

Then:

Your question, says that you do not know about Islam, makes me wonder? If you do not know Islam, how did you conclude that it is bigoted?

 

Is it actually impossible for muslims to answer questions? Do you spend so much time being evasive and defensive that you don't know how to do anything else?

 

So.. do not be like "Muslims" and answer the question, if you know the answer, and if Breeze allows you to answer on behalf of him/her.

 

he asked you.... I assume you know the answer.

grow a pair and answer the simple question put directly to you. You might think it a clever strategy to evade every question put to you, regardless how innocent and trivial it is, but all it does is make you look like a coward who is trying to defend the indefensible. By not answering it simply makes you look like you can't answer.

I guess you have done it so long that obfuscation and evasion are your default responses now.