United States Heading towards a Depression?

They are cute, maybe a little more distracting than useful.

 

Um, Bill Clinton kept Saddam at bay???

You're NOT serious, are you? Do you really want to have this discussion?

And before I open up on you on this issue, search for President Clinton's letter to the Senate Committee on Armed Services (9-Oct-1998) where Clinton discussed "the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs". The same letter also discusses Saddam's sudden refusal to cooperate with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Seriously, BW, you do NOT want to have this discussion.

 

Bush and company went out of their way to start a war and failed miserably with its outcome that is yet to be fully realized - has nothing to do with Bill Clinton and everything to do with the military, national security apparatus that is yet to be held accountable and responsible for the immediate perils associated with their actions including the continuance of militia activities as airline bombings.

 

Don't ya just love it when people rewrite history in public forums.

 

Next he will educate us how Israel got beat in that last little war, when they crossed into Lebanon. There is a large group who have rewritten this little piece of history in 2006 where the little nazi-hezbollah got their butts kicked, yet somehow they won.

 

Kinda amazing that a civilization that predates Islam is written off as having invaded land that , well they were already on. Strange.

 

Israel won, yet in may ways they still lost. Their actions were over reaching and despicable. The only nation in the entire world that supported Israel during that war was the US. The newspaper headlines everywhere else condemned Israel.

They have the technology to execute pinpoint strikes, yet they purposely resorted to WW2 style carpet bombing. They destoryed entire sections of cities, attempting to justify it by saying that a rocket was fired from the area.

But the most disgusting thing was that civilians were trapped in these areas with no way out, the world knew this, yet Israel continued the bombing. About 1/3 of all Lebanese deaths during that war were children.

If Israel wasn't buddy-buddy with the US, they would have faced war crimes for what they did. That is 100% certain.

 

Stop watching politics on the news. It rots your brain and raises your blood pressure. I don't care if it's FOX or MSNBC. Turn them both off. There are less extremist sources of news online.

 

Sometimes the best advice you can take is the advice you give others.

 

And how do you know what I watch? Just because I lean more to the right does NOT mean I watch Fox or MSNBC all the time.

Don't EVER watch MSNBC. And usually I switch from CNN, Fox, CSPAN. I try to watch both left and right leaning news sources so I don't just get one side of the story.

You know what they say about assuming.....

 

Did you look up the Bill Clinton memo I referenced yet?

(sorry, I got it backwards - it was from the Senate Armed Services to President Clinton):




Looks like it was Saddam that went out of his way to start a war.

 

Political posturing has a lot to do with the individuals involved - Bill Clinton did not involve this country with an obviously unnecessary and expensive war as did the Republicans and in such a way as for them to increase their electoral advantage during midterm elections or using military assets for political gain. - - Have just given an / my opinion on an already worked over subject matter.

 

I personally think that somehow the government will make things at least appear better before the next presidential election. That being said, things in my little hick town aren't looking so good. ( Less than 30 miles from The Villages, FL ) New construction has ground to a halt here, and most of the stimulus money is being spent on asphalt resurfacing. ( this employs very few )

Other than the jobs that pay less than unemployment, there is very little out there for work. Employers are swamped with applications from both eager, quality help and the downright desparate. I really don't see a depression as there is still money being spent. Construction lags at least once every decade here so it is just the way it goes.

I'd recommend anyone capable in Florida to go acquire EPA and NATE certification for HVAC systems. That is what I did and it has kept me with overtime through most of these rough times.

 

Why would you watch FOX and not MSNBC? They are each equally as extreme.

 

Of course, there's a lot of political posturing in Washington. But NEVER with Senate Armed Services memos! or are you accusing the Democrats of the same thing you are accusing Bush of?

BW, you can't have it both ways! You can't say that evidence against Bush is damning, while evidence against Democrats is "political posturing"! Open bias like yours makes your entire argument very, very dishonest.

This memo is very serious and non-political. Period. Yes, this memo damns your argument to hell. But it also shows that President Bill Clinton carefully and intelligently considered the issue and that is was VERY BIPARTISAN - just look at the signatures!

And let me remind you that, for almost his entire term of office, Bill Clinton engaged in extensive military actions against Iraq that not only included bombings but also clandestine use of ground troops - to the extent that it could have constituted a 2nd Iraq war (ex: 1998's Operation Desert Fox).

One could say that, since this occurred during Clinton's impeachment trial, political posturing has a lot to do with the individuals involved.

Well, YES, what you have offered is an OPINION - but if it's really an opinion, then your use of the word "obviously" is, uh, obviously misleading.

But I can then remind you that, during Bill Clinton's impeachment trial, didn't he, uh, "obviously" involve the country in an necessary and expensive military action for political gain?

 

I think that anything you watch is going to attempt to change your brain function, so before you tune into anything, read the news online on a website you can trust. (The choice is yours)

 

Er, no, not really. MSNBC is pure lunacy. It's 110% one sided. It's 110% commentary. It's not news at all.

 

Not sure what this is a reference to - The Caucasus? - At least it worked out and yes, the Republicans screamed all over the place about it but was really non-political, the right thing to do.....The political posturing was in reference to the type of environment being performed in, with Bush it brought about an unnecessary war - The country is much safer with a Clinton than extremist involving military actions.

 

He bombed and killed innocent civilians at what was supposed to be a weapons facility, but ended up being a medical facility. All this was done as a diversion to the Lewinsky scandal.

There's more if you really forgot we can revisit more.

 

Does this mean you also blame Bush for the casualties in Iraq?