If anyone knows of any legal avenues that we can look into. Strong Arguments against paypal strenghtening the case would be: Why weren't the end user informed of such drastic changes in advance? Reversal of payments without the consent of the user? How are the users supposed to collect the reversed funds from clients for goods,services or other things, will paypal take the responsibility? Please put forth more . And ways in which we can sue them.
well, all I'd like to say at the moment is WAIT. The leading online payment processor Paypal won't wind up in this way nor they would stay idle by giving bluff reasons. I'm sure they are working on something. All we have to do is to wait till Tuesday evening. Hope for the best
that is a extremely racist post from person who has 0 knowledge over anything , for the 1st time here am reporting the post and hope the mods do what should be done to racists comments on a open forum @ OP go through this http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=13557159&postcount=2201 this guy has pointed out various and very good ways to to get some answers , and having some knowledge how things work in India, if worst comes to worst you can drag paypal in a consumer court as they are a service provider with a working office in India and another thing you can do is to contact a NGO and fill PIL in supreme court too but this only in worst case scenario, a PIL in there would result in all parties including RBI , you, paypal to open all facts in front of court. in India, courts are not only for the rich , going through a NGO would cost you nothing and thank god laws there are not made by crops and courts are not bought by lawyers and their masters. but hopefully this all won't be necessary, but legal actions are available to you guys.
I dont think that he/she intended to be racist or offensive, in comparison to the value of money in places like US, UK and AUS, exchange rates, etc, people in india and other countries such as indonesia do tend to earn less for their work, just in the same sense that alot of people will outsoursce to india and indonesia as the rates are cheaper. However, what is less in our currency may be more for them, so its kind of strange. Not racism at all I dont believe.
oh c'om go through this guys posts , he just likes bump into through threads with no concrete knowledge , am no Indian but am in India right now, the tone of that post is totally racist towards Indians , what he meant was if needed Indians cannot AFFORD to take paypal to court, which in way is lately from what it seems like is running a pure scam on Indians by even taking reversal fees on transactions reversed by them only !! coming to the 2nd part , Indians currently are ranked the 3rd economic power on this planet what ever makes you think they that they earn less !! in fortune 500 list there would be at least 50 Indian companies now, and 3 in top 50 or 25. out soucing that is dne because half of u.s.a or at least as the latest study 75% of them cannot even point out there own country on a world map , do you really think they could run back offices for hr, tech, and support on finances , they work is out sourced because it is done better and yes cheaper too and that is just because of forex rates ,[ doller is falling against ruppee btw] the standard of living is atleast much better then some .EU countries and am not talking eastern block and def better then states in terms of general public. don't knock anything till you know it 1st hand. in my opinion it was a racist comment and hence reported.
Legal actions tend to be costly and time consuming. You need to decide if what you are suing for is worth the cost involved. To digress a bit, the Top Economies in the world are 1. USA $13.6T 2. Japan $4T 3. China $4T If I am not wrong, India economy is about $1T.
I think that the whole idea here is not as harsh as you make it out to be. Lets use an example. The average wage in Australia is 1500$ per fortnight, roughly. Living on that wage is quite livable here, however, in India or Thailand, the average wage would be much less in AUD, but, it would still be able to sustain living. This is all I can see him referring to. When he said that he knows what people in india will work for, this is nothing but a reflection on what the average wage in India is, and its value in comparison with other countries on earth. Hence, the reason that alot of outsourcers target countries such as India and Indonesia, becasue the value of their dollar means that they can pay these people a good wage in their own currency, but save money at the same time. Having said that, if an outsourcer says that he knows how much an Indian or an Indonasian works for, is that seen as being racist? No, its knowledgeable. I mean, I'm sorry that you found what he wrote as being racist, I just dont understand in what context a statement of fact can be seen as being racist is all. And querying whether someone who may be on what would be deemed as a small wage to a large part of the world, can afford legal representation, I dont see how this is being racist. If anything, it is being helpful in asessing whether or not it is worth the hassle of taking legal action against PayPal or not. No dramas, looks like the post has been removed by mods either way, and in anything that I have said here, I dont intend to be racist at all, just trying to help with some understanding of this thread.
It was not meant to be racist at all. I thought the "No offense" at the start of the sentance made that pretty clear. I was merely pointing out that people selling articles for $1 each and whatnot are probably not going to come out ahead by trying to recover their money in court. And this is all assuming their customers will go on the run. I would like to think that the people they did business with have the decency to pay these Indians in some other way or return the services if that is possible.
They are ranked 12th in GDP, but the ranking is actually poor for them given their huge population. There is still very little money to go around and the vast majority of the nation still lives in filth and squaller. There have been improvements over the past decade though. So let me get this straight, I innocently say that it may not make sense for an Indian to sue PayPal considering their low wages in relation to what the lawsuit would cost and you report me for racism (and I receive 2 infraction points) and then you post this saying that Americans are too stupid to find their own country on a map (and that 75% figure of yours is total BS). The fact is, the only reason US companies use foreign outsourcing is because of the labor costs. That is the sole reason. We have the talent right here in the US. They just don't want to pay the wages. The standard of living is better in India than the US? This does not even warrant a response from me.
How about we forget what others have said and get on with the thread? This off topic racism etc about who earns what in what country is just pathetic. The thread is about taking paypal to court, not about outsourcing.
They have been sued and lost previously. When the time is right, there will probably be another class action against them.
It's looking like this was a change in Indian banking regulations to curb money laundering and tax evasion that caused this and it wasn't just something that PayPal decided to do. Putting one and one together, the reversed payments would have been to clear certain transactions that took place under the new regulations before PayPal had a chance to act. I figured this is what it would end up being. It was just too bizarre to have been PayPal's own actions.
Without going into details...when you sign up on paypal and most of websites, you sign an agreement to proceed, which allow them to change their policies and procedures without prior notice = you lose.
i am from india too... the point is that i doubt indian courts will do anything.. considering it takes ages to to take up a case in india. Agreed that its much cheaper though to start a court case in india. But the main point is not from where to sue them from, but instead we should build up strong and concrete evidence against them. then we can decide where to sue them from....
And maybe figure out what exactly to hold them liable for. I gather from the OP's opening post that he did business with someone, was supposed to be paid via PayPal, that someone disputed it with them, and he lost. That what happened? Beyond that, read your agreement with PayPal as some mentioned. That will define one another's responsibilities and limitations, albeit it puts PayPal in a stronger position.