Stoning to death..Is it in Quran or is it in Bible?

It's actually in the hadith:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/023.sbt.html

Stoning to death is also an islamic law. In shari'a, stoning is an acceptable punishment for some crimes. If you are from the UK, you should pay special attention to this, because muslims "leaders" recently called for the government to allow them to introduce shari'a law for family matters. One step at a time, that's how they work. "Multiculturalism" in it's finest hour.

If you have the stomach for it, you can watch a video of muslim men being stoned to death.

There are some things that are simply not worthy of an excuse.

 

Did I say I blame anyone? I thought I've told you that traditional muslims have given me (and all the people like me) a lot of labels for having a differerent view in Islam. Just read my earlier posts. I do not blame anyone, I just hope that those traditional muslims stop doing what they are doing now, and seek knowledge about the true teaching of their religion and for some of the people here, I hope that they can stop spreading hatred. Its not going to help. In other words, both side have to play their role. An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind...

How I wish everyone can become like Gandhi.....

 

You wanted them to stop blowing you. How about those people sending missiles to their land? Have you ever thought why there is world war 1/2 and other wars? When somebody blow your "shit", you get angry, asking them to leave you alone. How about when you people blow their "shits"?

History repeats itself, the only difference is the one acting...

 

First of all Arnie, everyone is my brother/sister. I don't discriminate or label anyone with a "title". The second thing is, though you guys no longer stoning people to death, but that doesn't mean you guys not doing anything wrong in this world anymore, human being are not perfect, people are still killing/hurting other people all over the globe. Only the method is different. Think about the "war" etc. As long as you're hurting/killing people let it be by stoning to death or "dropping atomic bomb", you're still doing something wrong. If you want someone to change, you first have to make sure you are not hurting them in anyway, directly or indirectly cause there is always such thing as "law of karma".

 

Using the same logic, why are people still pointing to hadith that is not accepted by many muslims who don't divide themselves into sects?

I don't believe there is any violence in OT. Maybe, we simply should take it metaphorically instead of literally or perhaps we are still lacking in knowledge to understand the message. Nobody can be sure their interpretation / translation is 100% correct and that is why we are seeing so many people with different interpretation today even for a single issue. But, the thing is, no matter what scripture it is, why don't we just take something that we can be sure we have knowledge to follow it and leave the one that we are not sure about till later when we have more knowledge to understand the true message?


Why must there be hatred? For Christian, I believe Jesus taught us to even love our enemies. Don't care what other people say about him, you think you're right, just do whatever you believe as long as you don't hurt anyone.

So do for Muslim, Hindu, Jews, Buddhist....

So, why must we spread hatred? Some people might be in the wrong direction, but by spreading hatred, do you think you're bringing them to the right direction??? No, you're not. In fact, you are the one driven by them to the wrong direction. You let the hatred in
"you" to take control of yourself instead of "love". If you are a true Christian, tell me, do you think god will ever like someone full of "hatred"...??

 

I can't agree with you in this. Shari'a law, is just like an ordinary law, but based on Islam system, and we are talking about "Islam" in general and not by "sects" like Sunna or Shii'te or by "hadith".As example, In some countries like Malaysia, we have shari'a law. But there is no such thing as "stoning to death". In facts, in most of the cases, the people who comitted sex before mariage will simply be asked to marry their partner. For people who are married but commit adultery, they will normally be fined or jailed or both. There is no such thing as "stoning to death". It is not only unrelevant but also not acceptable.

 

Do you consider those who blew up 22 banks in the south of Thailand(last thursday) also your brothers and sisters? Wasn't that on your national independence day?

We know that many things are still wrong in all societies, but we have a different approach to proplems unlike your brothers and sisters.

 

It's very easy to see how is the "bad guys" and who's the good guys".

In most of the times the "bad guys" acts first.

And if the "good guys" acts first - it's probably prevention act.

 

Yes, we as the human being, all came from the same root. So basically, we are related to one another. Having a brother/sister who is a criminal doesn't mean you're a criminal too. If that is the case, I believe everyone in this world has a connection to someone we called as the "bad guy". So everyone is a criminal.

Those people in the South of Thailand, they are not fighting for God. They are fighting for their freedom. Get the fact straight.

"The Islamic Bank of Thailand was reported to be among those attacked. Set up by the Government, it operates in accord with Muslim law, which prohibits the charging of interest."

Anyway, before you simply blame them as terrorist, go to south Thailand, and stay there for a year or 2. See how they are treated by the goverment and then we talk.

Anyway, It is on Malaysia independence day and not Thailand. It is 2 different country.

 

zarul, you write: "Anyway, before you simply blame them as terrorist, go to south Thailand, and stay there for a year or 2. See how they are treated by the goverment and then we talk."

So then you would be one of the few muslims in favor of the incasion of Iraq. I mean, you DID see how THEY were treated, yes?

IN Christ, the True Light, the Way, the Lord and Saviour

 

I don't support violence in anyway, let it be by other people who called themselves "muslim" or by superhero wannabe who tried to help just to end up creating more violence.

 

Are you justifying the actions of terrorists? That's what I read out of it, that the terrorists are victims here so they are justified in their means by a perceived grievance?

 

Because the hadith is accepted by many muslims. Your point was to suggest that stoning wasn't in the quran, but that doesn't mean it isn't a part of islam. Indeed, it is the hadith (in all translations) that calls for stoning and is the very foundation for which the barbaric practice is still performed to this day.

 

Nope. But there is a reason for people to do something. By understanding the cause, we can help to avoid the violence. In this case, those people were treated in a way they were not supposed to that raised their hatred. So, blaming them for what happened is not helping. Instead, we should find out what is the root of the violence. Which in this case is "injustice".

 

No, hadith is not in anyway a foundation in Islam. Study the history of hadith before we talk. Hadith only came around hundred of years after the death of Muhammad (If that is what his name is) and was previously banned by Muhammad himself. Yet, the funny thing is, one of the hadith that is considered "valid" itself claimed that Muhammad don't allowed people to write hadith and he asked people to only follow Quran and obey god command. That proved Hadith contradiction. But most Sunni and Shi'te found it is hard to believe as they were taught not to question anything about hadith and that, they need hadith to interprete Quran.

 

You'll have to forgive me for the cultural differences here, but where I come from, we call that an "excuse." And twice now, you've justified their actions. As is almost always the case when I debate with muslims, the entity actually terrorized are always to blame and the terrorists always have an excuse for what they do. A twisted concept of reality, to be sure.

The root of the violence is the quran.

 

1. You're from Malaysia, arent you?
2. I know the situation in the south of Thailand pretty well and have been there a couple of times and must admit, that the government cares about the south far more than for example the people in the north-east of this country.
3. thats not freedom fighting to kill monks, teachers, nurses, children which have nothing to do with you guys.
It's not freedom fighting to burn down hundred of schools and many other public properties.
Its not freedom figthting to bllow up banks in an organized terrorist act

Are you a memeber of this terrorist groups? I really believe that.

THEY and YOU are TERRORISTS

It's soooo cheap to excuse these deeds.

There are legal ways to resolve problems if you think that this is an issue of freedom.

That is one of the most insulting posts for people in that region and who are threatened by your buddies every day.

I really pray that you going to be observed a bit closer and for a thourougly investigation of your role in that.

 

Are you and your three buddies just at the border to thailand?

 

Strange that just at the border region is so much interest in DP. Coinsidence?
They got scared away now.

so tell me guys isn't owning guns and bullets a death penalty in malaysia? Are you guys suppliers? I mean three of you are in the coastal area. 2 in butterworth and one near pulay redang and another one in kedah.
And tell me why have you all disappeared at once?

 

zarul, you write: "I don't support violence in anyway."

Amen to this. This clean and clear statement is a very difficult one to drag out of your average muslim nowadays and I praise you for it. Are you also doing anything to stop it. And if so - what?

IN Christ