I have my thoughts on why God exists and believing truly only in science can make you depressed Religion: Can i go to heaven? answer is yes... if you are faithfull and good you can. Science: Can i go to a distant star 1000000 billion light years away? answer is no. even if you have faith in what you do. ull just get depressed.
For me, being unable to handle reality to the point of having to invent things to believe would depress me, it would make me feel utterly pathetic. You know there is a clinical term for what you have based your faith on. it's called denial. Religion: Can i go to a magical make believe land? Yes, If you believe in the same god as me. if you don't then you will be tortured forever. Science: Can i go to a star 10 billion light years away? No, and i'll tell you why. I can also tell you what that star is made of, how big it is, what it will become when it supernovas, if it has any planets orbiting it, how old it is and even if it is still actually there. Of course, you being afraid of reality isn't actually an argument for or against anything except the weakness of your character. The ironic thing is, as you sit at your computer vaccinated against a myriad of diseases, you have a lot more "faith" in science than you do in your faith. I take it you didn't pray for internet access and immunity to diseases. The religious follow simple rules. They believe in science when it matters and their religion when it doesn't.
Don't listen to this drivel, it's sophomoric ranting because this individual has not been initiated into actually knowing the science behind the Bible. Oh hey, that medical symbol with the serpents in a double-helix around the staff with the orb on top with wings spread open, is religious but GASP IT IS USED IN SCIENCE! It represents the ascension of your lower faculties into higher order through the willful direction of your primal energy from blowing off steam into harnessing it for a greater purpose and in time you will become enlightened when that energy reaches and feeds your cerebral medula, you will finally get your wings and shed your former animal self. Unless you're stOx who can't see this. Of course, some people will see it as just a pretty picture, and totally miss the meaning; something stOx has shown to be his regular mode of thought on this matter. Just because YOU cannot understand things beyond the elementary and literal doesn't mean others cannot. The first scientists were priests, the first students of physics were philosophers. How? Well, when you have no technology to gaze upon other worlds, you just have to believe they are there. But that's faith, and unscientific...Kind of like how it's unscientific to tell people eggs are good today, bad tomorrow, vital the next day, a carcinogen in a week. Wanna know what's pathetic? Trying to prove a story false that was INTENDED TO FOOL PEOPLE WHO THINK IT'S MAGIC. IF YOU THINK RELIGION IS MAGIC, YOU HAVE NO THOUGHT PROCESS TO SPEAK OF. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. This isn't just a nice quote, it's fact. Give ancient people an iPod and you'll be burned at the stake. The people then had the fortune of being mostly illiterate, so they would believe whatever the priests/scientists told them because these were their gods on earth. People today, like stOx, have NO EXCUSE to think in the same pattern. Denouncing religion is the easiest, but most asinine and unenlightened prospect to undertake. stOx's view of religion are what he gathered from the mainstream, he has not done one iota of research on faiths, just the EASILY STUDIED EARTHLY RELIGIOUS INSTITUTES. What man created is false, but the idea behind the religions are what GAVE PRECEDENT to science, it's our curiosity to go out and explain what is the reason for what we see around us. Science is observation ONLY, if you cannot observe it, you cannot conclude it. stOx's view of God make conclusions he cannot have possibly observed, and are thus false. If you can fathom God, oh enlightened ones, you have imagined up a false idol by religious DEFINITION, that's why there is no name of the Absolute as it would make it almost accessible, which it is not to us while we still are made of condensed light-energy(matter). If stOx believes fish evolved into dogs, DISPROVING THE THEORY OF MICROEVOLUTION/LAW OF SPECIE REPRODUCTION IN THE PROCESS, he is putting faith into the RELIGION of bullshit science, and cannot see he is doing that as he is blinded by his terrestrial senses. You need to fear science and its blind followers, not Satan. There is no Satan, as that would rival the Absolute, and that is impossible. We perceive polarity and experience it relatively, but there is only One. If you think everyone isn't going to the same place after they die, you are judging and have no right to do so as you cannot understand good/evil with your relativity. How is this at ALL difficult to comprehend? Get some higher learning, think for yourself, stop looking at "isms" like they were developed by some great thinkers. The truth is so ridiculously simple it's like turning a light switch on and off in your mind. Will power trumps all else, your biology, your environment, your upbringing, your conditioning, your psychology, your chemistry, your body's desire to live and reproduce above all else. THAT WILL POWER IS THE ONLY DEFINITION WE CAN CONCLUDE OF GOD AND CLOSEST CONNECTION WE CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE WITH GOD (so far). FORGET YOU HAVE A BODY, IT'S MADE OF HYDROCARBONS AND WILL RETURN TO THE EARTH. IT IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE, AND YOUR EXPERIENCES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THE ABSOLUTE UNDERSTANDING ITSELF. We're made up of a bunch of little cells and organisms, that are made up of a bunch of little molecules, made up of a bunch of little atoms. What makes us think we are not the parts of a greater organism? We've observed that throughout our entire history, "As it is above, so shall it be below." Most of existence is empty space, from the nucleus of the atoms and the vast emptiness between it and the electrons to the planets orbiting a sun with moons orbiting them. The only difference is perspective. We have order, and as we know from physics, without continually adding energy or improving a system, the energy in that system will entropy and become useless without the Will power to transform/transmute it. I am so sick of people like this, they do nothing but add psychic venom and turn people away from a good idea. Thing about religion is, you can't stop studying it after 13 when most people think they are done because for the rest of your life, your idea of God will be stuck in the mindset of adolescence as opposed to being a continuing discovery. Greek philosophers didn't even believe someone should study any of this before the age of 40 because they'd become caught up in their own beliefs and unable to change due to the childish mind they had when formulating these beliefs. I could do on, but I am so done trying to show how it's ridiculous to try to disprove mice exist by pointing out Mickey Mouse was fictional. NO SHIT, YOU AREN'T SOME INTELLIGENT BEING FOR FIGURING THAT OUT, AT BEST YOU ARE ENTERING PUBERTY. Goodness, change your mind, embrace what you see and stop trying to have "I GOT YOU, I'M SO MUCH SMARTER!" moments because you are not well trained enough to disprove existence.
I think there is hope in both pursuits for the pursuers. The religious can believe if they are good to others and don't sin they'll go to heaven, or if you are a Muslim you can blow yourself up killing non Muslims and get a bunch of virgins in heaven. (I don't believe they go to heaven for that, but they do, which I guess is the point here.) Science however gives us hope for the cure of disease, prolonged life, etc.
Wow im shocked you called heaven a magical make believe land. Even though im religious i can also tell you what that star is made of, how big it is, what it will become when it supernovas, if it has any planets orbiting it, how old it is and even if it is still actually there. Everybody can do that. Example Bible saying: Love thy neighbor as love thyself or Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned, forgive, and ye shall be forgiven. Now does the science say that? Nice things happen when you do that to your fellow man that is the reality. Also which would you prefer Religious: If you are already very rich and you read the Bible. What will you do with your money? You try to help others by donating to Church and Donating to other organization. You learned that from the Bible. Because you know that in your lifetime you were not greedy and you did something meaningful and when you die you will go to heaven. Science: You cannot use all your money to go to a distant star or all in science. When you die you will just turn to dust. The reality is Religion is very usefull to everybody even if you are a Billionaire.
Nothing in science is a matter of belief, but of knowledge - knowledge that keeps accumulating over time. God is a matter of pure belief, without any kind of knowledge. The belief of today is the same as the belief of 1,000 years ago, passed from father to son (although this is becoming less and less common, luckily). But anyway, please share with us your thoughts on "why God exists", as this is what matters, and not what depresses you. These are the wealthiest charitable foundations of the world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_charitable_foundations I think that only No. 5 fits into the "religious" box. But even they are in the real estate business: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Commissioners . all the rest are totally secular. The reason is clear: more religion = less knowledge. less knowledge = less money. less money = less charity. Actually religion is a corporation of money where a small bunch of smart few take the money of the ignorant crowds. But since its a zero-sum game, the crowds are deemed to remain poor for ever after giving the money they don't have to these few, who most of the time fix themselves life of luxury and as a rule never give the money back to the communities which the mentally extorted by telling them things they want to hear in order not to get depressed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkVtgD2R8M one of a zillion examples. See the whole movie here: http://moshedubman.com/post/2009/08/30/bill-mahers-Religulous-Hilarious-movie!.aspx . The most important movie ever produced and one of the funniest.
You can do it because of science, not your religion though. Which makes science the winner and your "faith" worthless. reality doesn't care what id prefer. Again, your faith is a self imposed illusion because you don't like reality. You continue to confirm this by admitting that you believe things on the grounds that it is what you wished were true. You need to be commanded to do good things under threat of torture? How is that in any way moral? lol yeah, reality. Terrifying stuff. Grow up.
That is not it. Religion is not a corporation of money. When you go to church and you give your money is part of religion. It is in the Bible that you should return the blessing God has given to you. That means not being greedy. When you work you get salary that is "Gods blessing" when you go to church you give 1 dollar or more money is part of your offering and worship to God that he has given you much more. By doing this you are not forgetting that Jesus has died for the sins of the world and he gave us salvation. If you turn back to Gods Salvation then something else will happen to you.
lol you are such a sucker. Does it not strike you as odd that the people telling you about your rewards in the never never are very much getting their rewards in the here and now? Don't you think it convenient that the bible tell you to give these people money to "worship" god? And lastly, want to buy a bridge?
Yes Eternal forever Torture When you dont believe in him. That is why you need to repent, Believe in God, have your faith again and give back to the community. You will better have faith now or you will get tortured in hell. Better act now though coz hell accepts starting the faithless and in hell demons will eat you up over and over. The Bible and Church is a book that helps you do your life much better when you are alive. You will not be Given Gods blessing and teachings if you dont Go to church that is why you need to start now.
Funny how you expect us to take your threats seriously when you so frequently ignore the same threats from other religions. We aren't 5, stories about the boogie man don't frighten us. Have a think about why you reject other religions and you'll have an idea why we reject yours.
Ask yourself what is the purpose of your life coz the bible and Church can give you that. you should have a life coz when you just write things with no purpose its like you are afraid to face reality. What if the real boogie man comes to you and threatens you arent you gonna be afraid? or are you gonna go near him laughing while he tortures you. In science you are mortal but in Religion you can become immortal. If you dont have faith then you have no purpose. In science you become dust. In Religion you go to heaven. If i give you a chance to choose dust or heaven?
Sorry to cut in here but isn't Heaven wasted on Atheists anyways? Be logical; we get drunk, have sex, some of us take drugs, gamble, etc. - isn't Heaven only a nice place to be if you just want to pray and do things "God" approves of? I'd ask you Hell or dust, personally - isn't that the same thing? Plenty of people go to hell by religious standards.
Yes same thing. In reality you drive when you are drunk you go to jail and after jail when you die you go to hell. Somebody sees you doing drugs there is a chance you go to jail and when you die you go to hell. Religion can help you do the righteous things. Trust me going to Church and praying is better than sex, drugs, gamble etc.
.... I can't agree. I've been to church. (Purely to know a little more on the subject, I like to learn - I'm not religious.) I'd pick drinking for 12 hours while watching movies, listening to music then having sex over church any day of the week. (Even Sunday )
There is no difference between science and religion - both are equally capable of reaching goals when properly applied - the individuals development is the obstacle and is in fact the reason for studies as they are needed in realizing a true destiny from delusion. Speaking of delusion, the above example (quote) and most of the proselytizing from googlerankmaniac (Christians) leads not to conclusions but delusional trust to a false god Jesus against their very commandment in one God and an abrogation of realizing for themselves why Jesus was chosen by God for their example to become not follow.....At any rate the God of the Christian bibles only commandment was to find redemption after expulsion from the Garden that has nothing to do with devils, torture, believing in Jesus or any of the other fabrications of the bible but for finding answers for living always in a heavenly manner just as a scientist finds the correct formula that ignites fire as then to experience the relativity of life as God has made it pure and so must man be pure to experience it. Gods way or the highway anyone may apply.
I dont know what your reference is. But mine is the Bible and it is the most Read book in the Whole world. I have conclusions because i have evidence to back it up. Bible can be applied in real life and it is already written. While There no Athiest Bible. is there? What will your purpose in life be?. What lessons will you teach your children that money and science is God?. The best things to teach your children comes from the Bible and Church.