Filipino bloggers stealing entire article content from me how to report them?

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  1. Vel

    Vel Active Member

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    #81
    Trust me these guys are slick, I just copied down Denniss advice and will report them as soon as I can put together all the evidences.

    But I put up a block where you cannot right click my page to copy articles and they were still able to copy and paste.

    The thing that is they intercept it within a few minutes of it being posted I checked and they have my rss feed on their cell phones so they get alerted.

    Its not just me though they steal many other peoples articles too when I looked at their pages.

    I am a respectable honest human being, and these people are scum, I even tried to be cordial with them and email them personally only for them to laugh in my face and tell me to fuck off and make it out like im the bad guy.

    I checked the guys alexa and he has higher alexa ranking than me he is past 50,000, but he spams his site on hundreds of different message boards using other peoples content and backlinks.
     
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    Vel Active Member

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    #82
    Great post man, thats what they told me to go fuck myself, and they started posting comments on different names on my comments section telling people to not post on my site and trying to boycott me after I emailed them to kindly not steal my articles because some of the articles take me hours to write up.

    The guy that pissed me off the most was the one who was saying he was just trying to make people happy and that he is a religious catholic and all this and his family was suffering from the typhoon and I should pity him, I traced him and saw his myspace and he had pics of him bragging about how much he made and he had so many filipina girls talking sweet to him.

    he lied to me and I pitied him because im a nice guy, I thought oh well this guy seemed nice ill let him post a few of my articles but only a paragraph then link back to my site, he followed what I said for 1 week than continued to post the entire articles again.

    The guy has a super high alexa ranking and he bragged on another board about making more than 200 dollars a day, he had the picture son his myspace of the american money he got from western union and some kobe bryant signed cards and shoes.

    The thing that pissed me off is how he gave advice to the other filipinos saying all you have to do is take other peoples write ups and you put meta tags and post them on different boards and backlinks and you will surely get traffic without working hard.

    I have many Filipino Friends and I have been treated very well by them they have been very kind to me.

    I have nothing against filipinos just like with what you said their seems to be no LAW, this is why Google needs to crack down in that area.

    Its sad that some honest Filipinos have to suffer but what can you do? Google will probably crack down on the Philippines cheat bloggers soon.
     
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  3. denniss

    denniss Well-Known Member

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    #83
    DON'T even bother with these view-source-blocking scripts, this is so 90's.

    These days NO ONE manually copy+pastes articles or source page.

    Instead they use autoblog tools that grab content from your RSS feed and remove all your (internal/external) links so as not to give you any incoming links.

    So by disabling "view page source" you'll maybe block 1% of copied content, not more, which is pretty useless.


    Basically just hit them where it hurts -- take their revenue source and their traffic source. Google HAS to do it since they're based in USA, and as such have to abide by DMCA rules (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act) -- by the way, putting the DMCA into life was one of the biggest achievements of Clinton's presidency!!!!

    Overall if Google does not remove them you can sue Google for not abiding by the DMCA, and for Google it's easier to remove a few sites than pay $200/hour for lawyers and then paying potential penalty fees.

    Basically these are the possible scenarios:

    #1) People steal content from you -> You don't report them to Google -> Google does not know about it -> Google is not to blame.
    #2) People steal content from you -> You report them to Google -> Google knows about it -> Google removes their content/closes their accounts -> Google is not to blame.
    #3) People steal content from you -> You report them to Google -> Google knows about it -> Google DOES NOT remove their content/ DOES NOT closes their accounts -> You sue Google -> Google is to blame -> You win a court imposed settlement (due to the financial damages that you have suffered due to Google's actions of disseminating and profiting on your copyrighted material -- which you TOLD THEM is yours).

    So overall Google HAS to abide by the rules since it's based in a law abiding country like USA (and not Philippines!), so just use it to bring people that abuse your content to justice.

    Trust me, nothing will hurt the asshat that's ripping your site off more than to discover one day that his AdSense account is banned, he can't open a new one, and his site is delisted from Google's search results... I'm pretty sure he'll have to sell his Kobe Bryant merchandise just to survive for the next few months:)
     
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    #84
    One thing I know for sure: Google is BLIND.
     
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    Vel Active Member

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    #85
    Thanks Denniss! you have been very helpful.

    And ya it hurt me hard when they told me to fuck off, I am non confrontational and kindly emailed them also right now I am very broke and to see this guy I felt bad for lie to me and tell a fake story about how his family is poor and he is making more money than the average american and spends it on lavish goods pissed me off.

    Talk about a scammer
     
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    #86
    Be sure you know the potential outcomes of your actions.

    The quickest way to handle this is a DMCA takedown order to Google Adsense... as Google will force the publisher to counterclaim since Google has a good faith believe the material belongs to the publisher or they got the publishers permission (assuming neither is true that is bad for them).

    The problem for you is "IF" the guy that told you to fuckoff is equally uncaring because they think the courts can't reach them they will do as Google instructs... that forces you to seek legal assistance and court action.

    If you are prepare for that start here:

    https://www.google.com/adsense/suppo...dmca_complaint

    The value you get... "IF" the publisher refuses to counterclaim Google will shutdown the publishers account and send you a payment equal to 3 months of what the publisher made in good faith because Google didn't have any knowledge of the infringement.

    The cost you get... if you don't plan to escalate to the courts in Philippines on receipt of a counterclaim your non-compliance with DMCA provisions could be argued that this is equal to your permission to the alleged infringer that they have your endorsement. Google WILL allow them to continue to make revenue off your work because you didn't act on your claim of copyright.

    A copyright holder wouldn't knowingly allow anyone to use their work illegally. Be sure you know the risks before you act... as only a court of law can prove infringement.
     
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  7. denniss

    denniss Well-Known Member

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    #87
    Well, clearly the lessons are:

    #1) Don't approach them directly -- EVER -- just hit them in the nads using Google and DMCA. You won't get more than bad blood and bad mood from those "please stop this" requests. It's like, when someone steals your car, are you gonna call the cops (Google in this case) or try to track down the person that stole your car (being the spammer, in this case)? I'd obviously call the cops, and due to the DMCA law Google HAS to act like Internet police.
    #2) If you care about yourself, don't listen to SOB stories. For me money in my pocket is more important that a starving family of someone who can't work for himself and prefers to steal my content. Otherwise you'd live in a commie state. (Like the last point, if someone was to steal your car, would you say "okay, take it, cuz you have a large and poor family"?)
    #3) Don't EVER let it come to a point where these asshats have a chance to steal your revenue and leave you starving. For that you have to take proactive steps -- make a daily search for the names of your most recent articles, and if someone copied them, report the assholes to Google right away before they have a chance to eat into your own income.

    Thing is I have a certain bias against (BAD) autoblog owners. They've cost me a few thousand $ last year, so if I ever meet anyone that steals my content I won't hesitate to put him/her out of his/her misery right away in the most direct way it takes (let me put it this way = you steal my content and we meet in a dark alley, I guarantee you that one of us will only make it out OK, while the other one will have to leave in an ambulance or in a coroner's transport).
     
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  8. denniss

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    #88
    Great advice, but I personally have a better way around it....

    All my sites are licensed under Creative Commons "Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 2.5" - http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.5/ca/

    That means that all materials on my sites are ALLOWED to be republished, but ONLY if they're published for non-profit purposes and CANNOT be modified in any way (=all my internal/external links have to stay the same they're on my site).

    I personally have no problem with this licensing model, and so far Google responded favourably to every single DMCA complaint I've had -- I assume that's at least in part due to Creative Commons license attribution.

    Basically in a case like this it's super simple to prove that you are right (=missing links, ads on site, etc...).
     
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    fathom Well-Known Member

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    #89
    Absolute rubbish.

    Google cannot do anything other than remove the results from their archives (on a claim) and put back up (on a counterclaim) if the claimant does not show proof of court action in 14 days.

    Google is not the law nor the courts. they cannot tell who is the rightful copyright holder; that's for the court to decide.

    All they can do is follow precise steps laid out in detail in DMCA provisions.

    If they were to "penalize" based on you unsubstantiated claim - the alleged infringer would have a billion dollar suit... that's why Google has DMCA protection - to protect it from claims in a dispute they have absolutely nothing to do with.
     
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    #90
    You cannot claim copyright infringement without a court of law. It doesn't matter what you think or what you believe or what you do - it only matters what you can prove... and in a court of law the alleged infringer also has a lawyer arguing for their rights... if you aren't prepared to defend against that... you're screwed no matter if you are the rightful copyright holder.

    For the record... Google responds favorably to you because it does not wish to defend against your claims (if you have any against them) Google will equally respond favorably to the alleged infringer if they counterclaim and then your favorable action is seeking legal action in a court of law. So while you can indeed get away with bluffing - some day you'll find that you must go the extra mile to court.
     
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    #91
    How do I get my work copyrighted?

    What was the lawsuit that AP (associated press) was pressing on bloggers before?
     
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    #92
    Start a different thread for that discussion (how do I copyright)
     
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    #93
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1671704#post13470726
     
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    #94
    Well, I can prove my point fully to Google, and that's all that matters to me.

    I am not pushing towards collecting penalties from copyright infringers or going to court, I just want their sites disconnected from all possible Google services.

    If...
    #1) I've submitted a DMCA complaint.
    #2) As a Google employee you can check two sites against timestamps (both real timestamps and when they appeared in Google's SERP) after I've submitted a DMCA infringement notice.
    #3) If I can bring proof of:
    a) Article(s) being posted on my site prior to being posted on another site.
    b) Article(s) being posted on infringer's site after my articles were posted.
    c) My creative commons licensing NOT allowing for-profit and deriviative works
    ....then I've already proved my point to Google.

    If AFTER THIS Google would like to KNOWINGLY ignore my DMCA infringement request, I would be 100% willing to go to court, naming both the copyright infringer and Google as the responsible parties for my financial loss.

    And from what I hear Google does NOT want this sort of thing to happen.

    Therefore from my last 7 DMCA copyright notices to Google all worked 100%.
     
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    #95
    Check here mate - http://creativecommons.org

    Easiest copyright you can get.
     
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    #96
    I would just like to point out that when I read the title of your thread, it says "Filipino bloggers stealing entire article content from me how to report them." This is the reason why I clicked on it.

    I read your thread and have discovered the details myself and saw other Filipinos felt you are a bit of a racist and so on and so fourth...

    As to your issue of copyright infringement... well, if you have the money to spend to sue these so called Filipino bloggers that you have been talking about here well go ahead be the first one to do this. By the way, it does not cost about couple of bucks, way more than you can even imagine and much more can even go you bankrupt. Imagine, you are living in a certain country trying to sue like 5-10 Filipino bloggers who certainly residing in the Philippines. Not a right move!

    I know, I know, you got frustrated by these people who steal content from you after you have spent hours and hours of writing these articles but remember the Internet is full of scammers, black hatters, and a lot of crap so you can't definitely say that you are free from these people trying to copy everything you have written. And they earn way more than you do. It breaks your heart right? Well, this is reality and it's either you do something about it or leave it as it is. I was thinking, what if these Filipino bloggers do not earn $100 but $0.10 per month, would you even bother to have this kind of anguish? I bet not...

    If I were you, you make your website disabled the right click button of a mouse (which is used to copy the entire article, and paste it in their website). Also disabled CTRL C, since there is a chance they will use this keyboard shortcut in order to copy content. Just ask a programmer or someone who is knowledgeable on this field to do it for you. I certainly do not know how to do it thought... In this way, they will not be able to copy your article not unless they will encode the article on a word document and copy it manually. I have seen other sites are doing these in order to protect themselves from people who steal content.
     
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    #97
    I do not understand what you mean by "unsubstantiated claim".... would you mind to elaborate?

    E.G. my site is listed on Google News.... Do you mean to tell me that they cannot "substantiate" that my Google News listed articles are original, as opposed to a copy of my news articles that popped up inside the search engine 24-48-72 hours later?

    That indeed sounds like rubbish to me, since if you think so you have no idea how Google's Internet data collection services work...
     
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    #98
    If you live back in 1996 that's an acceptable solution.

    Matter of fact is that 99% of content thieves these day use autoblog software that steals your RSS source. So judging by your logic we all have to disable RSS feeds:)
     
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    #99
    You're missing the real issue.

    Google will never ignore your claim... in fact, it won't ignore the alleged infringer's claim neither that you are mistaken about your claim... and as such you have no claim against Google.

    Then you can go to court and actually prove you had financial losses (if that's $1.50 in AdSense money - that's what your 'actual' damages are worth) and then, if and when you win, and the courts award you whatever, then you get to chase the infringer to pay that.

    The laws are on your side though.
     
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    #100
    It seems you are defending these guys.

    um no the earnings didnt bother me, I actually emailed them personally to ask them nicely not to steal my content and they told me to fuck off, the fact tjat one of the bloggers LIED TO ME and said he wasn't making much money and had family in the typhoon and he needed the money to help rebuild their home.

    I saw he lied when I tracked him and was using the money to party and buy lavish things.

    I have every right to feel hurt even if the guys are making more money than me using my content, you really seem to be supporting these guys by attacking me over that comment about the earnings.

    I know you would feel sad and many oth4er people would feel hurt someone is making money from your hard work.

    lets say you wrote for a newspaper and than someone else takes your work and they made money off of you, how would you feel?
     
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