Israeli police arrest harem 'messiah' Goel Ratzon

Again it will depend on what you understand as obeying, and what you understand as disobeying, in Islam, there is no obeying for anybody, who calls for disobeying God, your study of Islam if there was any should have let you know about this important rule.

If her husband is asking her to leave work, there is no obeying for him, because it is her right to work, if her husband, is preventing her from going out, or visiting her family, then there is no obeying for him, cos he is disobeying God, and if he insisted on such things, she can resort to law, and if that did not even work, she can divorce him, or as I mentioned already, she can divorce him directly, even if the reason was she couldn't stand him.

You are trying to appear like the protector of these women, from Islam, or Qur'an, when they actually do not need you or anybody else, Islam gave them the rights, the tools, and the laws to protect themselves from any abusive husband, or man, and also, from being used by hateful people, or people with agenda.

 

imad why do you feel the need to dilute what you supposedly think is the word of god? It's amazing how you have to twist and massage a passage which says "beat your wife for being disobedient" in to something where you are told not to beat her and not to expect her to be obedient.

The passage is clear when it comes to what is expected of women and what their punishment should be for not doing what is expected of them, the fact that even you, a so called muslim, have to twist what you supposedly think is the word of god shows exactly how abhorrent your filthy little book is. Even you, a so called muslim, have to twist the very word of god so that it's a more acceptable thing to believe.

 

How about changing it to "spank your wife for being disobedient"? It can actually be fun and spice up the relationship.

 

Oh, that's ok then - you only beat her when she goes again your god. Can she beat you when you go against god?

Freaking heathens, man.

PS - On this one occasion I'll say that gworld, whilst your post makes light of the abuse permitted in Islam, I still dig it.

 

Even after you knew that it is not beating as you imagine it, punch, boxing, slaps ..etc but a light hit with something of truth brush size, on hand or arm that leaves no mark and cause no pain, you still use the word beat, because you know how the listener in West will receive it,

Alexi, it is ok to hate Islam, but say the real reasons, and do not try to invent unreal ones.

did you ask looking for an answer, try to be honest here.

 

lol he still can't see how hitting someone, even lightly, for being "disobedient" is in it's self grossly disrespectful. I love how you consistently expose the mindset of muslims in a far more profound way than i ever could imad.

 

hitting someone with something of a tooth brush size, that causes no pain, and leaves no mark, stop trying to deceive readers stox, disobedient been explained to you too already, so you need to be specific, and mention the event.

all Muslims men or women are ordered to obey God, I know this bugs you, but sorry, they have a freedom of choice whom to obey and disobey, and they prefer to obey a just, merciful, all knowing, not you

 

I noticed that so many here are trying to defend the sick man the topic of the thread by keeping the topic about Muslims, I did not notice when it started to talk about Muslims, but I will stop posting in this thread,

if you have questions, about women rights in Islam, beating women in Islam, or anything related, please start a thread about it, and make your questions there, I will be more than glad to answer them all.

 

Hitting someone with anything, to any degree, for being disobedient is disrespectful. What part of that don't you understand? You are defending the fact that in your religion women are treated like children or animals and are expected to do as they are told.

The fact that you have to massage the passage in to something you feel able to defend, and still end up defending the abhorrent, shows how even you think the contents of the quran is brutal, oppressive bullshit. Some "word of god" that turned out to be

 

the tooth brush beating is an invention, the true meaning is using real violence against the women.. a man like Muhammad who slaughtered thousands didn't hit his women with a tooth brush give me a break.. do you actually believe your own lies?

 

Invention? It was Mohammad pbuh himself who said so, and even showed this practical example.

you are right when you said Mohammad did not hit women with a tooth brush, he never hit a woman, not with a tooth brush, not with his bare hands, not with anything else.

but really guys, stop trying to defend that sick Israeli man, by diverting, like in football, best way to defend is to attack lol, we are not in a match here, if you have really genuine questions, then feel free to ask, but put them under a separated thread, so you do not appear as defending that man, or you are actually?

 

now that you mention it, this man sounds like the typical Muslim

 

It's Alexis, not Alexi. I hate Islam for many, many reasons, all of which are (sadly) very real.

And striking a partner is almost never OK - unless you are at personal risk of severe injury unless your strike them, or you are protecting a defenseless child then you have NO RIGHT to lay a hand on a woman. (The same goes for women against men, but that isn't relevant in this conversation.)

I actually use the word "beat" because that is the word used in the Qu'ran - so don't be a tool and assume it's about how the West will take it - try thinking from more than one angle, maybe?

I do not believe it is OK to strike a partner in any way, nor is it OK to believe that one may discipline their partner who is their equal.

Would you be happy if your partner beat/struck/disciplined you?

I can tell you that in my country if someone caught you raising a hand against a woman, even "lightly" and "so as not to leave a mark", they'd kick your sorry ass.

Chivalry lives on.

 

excuses, excuses, and more excuses. You address people directly all the time...no need to be a little puss and hide behind your excuses. It was a SIMPLE question that you cannot even answer.