Scientific Proof of the fact "Soul never reach heaven/God"

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by it career, Jan 20, 2010.

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    God is the source of all creation , so he is located at the point where big bang started, and you/your soul are languishing in earth which is more than 13 billion light year far from the source , now after death if soul wants to reach heaven/God , it will take 13 billion years , by that time , universe would have been contracted and vanished .
     
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  2. imad

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    was there a scientific proof, before this so-called proof, which proved that the soul is light?

    was there a "point where" before the big bang?
    was there a "location" before the big bang?
    was there a universe before the big bang?

    what was there before the big bang?
     
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    wwws Notable Member

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    Ah, don't forget about heaven elevators that sends souls to heaven, 'cmon man, don't you know about heaven elevators. geez.

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  4. it career

    it career Notable Member

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    Even heaven elevator can only run at the speed of light , and it will take 13 billion years to reach heaven :D .
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    I have very limited knowledge of big bang theory, so I apologize in advance if these are stupid questions, but... From my understanding of the big bang, the universe was created by inflating and expanding. Didn't the big bang happen over the whole universe as one? I didn't realize that there was one particular location where it began. I'm curious, do you have a source on that? If you're saying we need to go to the location where it began, where exactly would that be?

    I do know scientists believe the big bang happened about 13 billion years ago.

    Why do you believe if there were a heaven, it would be located there?
     
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    Realm Well-Known Member

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    I've came across this article. Really interesting
     
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    According to the religious belief, god is located everywhere, anytime.
    It does not obey the laws of science (or of nature), and therefore science can not "disprove" or "prove" its existence.
    Science and Religion are two totally different things which do not interact.

    Scientific proof of god?

    Rebecca: yes, it "exploded" from a single point, called: "singularity". Whether it will collapse again, is still under debate.
    There are several strong evidence that corroborate the big bang theory, and this is why it is presently the most popular one among scientists.
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    I looked up singularity, and that helps. Thanks Chaos.:)
     
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    Good post imad, this is the probably the first post you made that I actually agree with. It's ridiculous to assume all those things. That's why we should search for those answers so that we way get closer to the truth.
     
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    I did not ask these questions looking for an answer, but more to show the OP that what he called as scientific proof, is not scientific , because:

    1- it assumes that soul is light and travel in the same speed as light.
    2- it assumes that there was a location before the big bang, even though the big bang itself is not so clear.
    3- it assumes that Earth traveled in the same speed as light for 13 billion years, how do you know Earth was traveling in light speed all the time? and did not travel for example in 1/2 speed light for 26 billion years?

    None of these been proven scientifically to use them to prove something else, in addition to other things in that post that have no relation not from close nor from far to science.

    there is nothing wrong in asking any kind of question, and to try to find an answer, in the contrary, it is much encouraged always.
     
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    it career Notable Member

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    1. Nothing can travel faster that the speed of light at space , 2. big bang started from a single point , 3. What crap ?
     
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    What if the big bang took place right next to Earth?
     
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    Keep your physical restraints to yourself and your own soul.

    My soul has no mass, therefore can transcend the speed of light to the point where it can in fact be in two places at the same point in time/energy.

    You all need to drink way less and do way more...other stuff...Get those scientific/religious imaginations going and stop trying to have a "GOTCHA!" moment. You really aren't smart enough to do that, drop the ego; a soul looking for heaven will never find it until it sees that heaven isn't a place in time/energy.
     
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    Earth was formed by the outcome and so as other galaxies, planets ect
     
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    I know that, but what if our galaxy was the last thing out of the big bang? lol

    If that is the case, the big bang could have happened in your bathroom.
     
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    no need, the religious have the answer. a magic man done it... apparently.
     
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    "He" even did it all in just 6 days, got tired and rested on the 7th. What a god he is, oh phrase the lordth the all mighty man who created us and made this wonderful world and the universe...phrase Jesus!
    (peace be upon him):rolleyes:
     
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    In bible, it mentions something like this. I wish I could remember the verse exactly, but I don't. It basically claims that heaven is non-reachable and shows an example somewhat like your 13 billion yrs. It probably just just an example and not the real truth. It was just to teach dumb people from trying to get to heaven themselves.

    However........the source of all creation is not where the big bang started. The big bang theory is not proven. Its a theory aka idea therefore don't jump to conclusions.

    And if you are correct(your not) then you should know that God created time and lightyrs and bangs that are big, therefore obviously it could be easily changed to get to heaven so that blows off your universe would be gone business.

    I'd rather believe in the faith than watch a bunch of people try to get on the discovery channel making up crap as they go along. You are a total idiot. The bible mentions you clearly. Many people will not understand, many will not accept faith, but one thing that is sure is they will mock it. Stox, you have your own place in the bible too. There it is.

    Oh man, you are so cool. Everyone look at how awesome he is. Dude, you must get bikini models be thumping your door, Homey.............

    Seriously, if you plugs want to start mocking I'll torch your damn scientist theories to the ground. Your science has been proven wrong after wrong and the only thing that corrected it was TIME and technology. The bible has not needed the facts to be changed in it since it was created. It was not too long ago where it was common knowledge that the world was FLAT. I bet you two morons would've been mocking and insulting others who would disagree. The whole world of people thought that except for just one person and look what happened. The whole world was wrong. All of your scientists together. This is one example out of 500. Science is not something to bet your soul on as its all a bunch talk. The only science I believe that is pretty accurate would be paleotology and that's still a sad example considering someone finds a fraction of a toe fossil and some pencil pusher scientist decides its a new species of dinosaur so he describes it to get publicity.
     
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    Yeah that must be why you don't use anything which was created as a result of science, like computers, cars, vaccinations, clean water coming out of a tap, farming methods or medical treatment.... oh wait, you do, you ungrateful hypocrite. :rolleyes:

    feel free to back your claims up with your actions though. feel free to live in a hut made out of animal shit if you really think your empty "faith" is better than practical, science based solutions. I bet you don't though, i bet you carry on using things created as a direct result of science while trying to convince people that you really do value faith more.

    Yeah the bible also mentions stoning gays to death, demonic pigs and killing children, so it's understandable that they knew we would laugh at it, what with it being a complete pile of cretinous shit and all. See, even the conmen writing it knew how stupid it was.
     
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    I don't have a problem with stuff. God made people(and other things), people were smart enough to make stuff. I don't mind stuff like computers. Oh, I really want a 86 Monte Carlo. One day man!. However how am I supposed to worship man who created engine oil when it was God would created the concept of movement and momentum. Back to you.:rolleyes:

    My faith isn't empty. You don't know shit about God. We already talked about this. You backed off. I am not in a hut, I got some nice stuff. I'm just doing what the bible told me to do which is follow with the way the world turns. I'm not a mennonite Christian here. However.....Sony and Chevy is not science.
    I'm not trying to convert you over into learning about God. I'm simply trying to stop you from your bashing and teach you the basics of how in life people will have different beliefs and that's ok. This is a difficult task.
     
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