Questions Muslims don't like to answer

Ummm who made you a religious icon???

Go back and read...religions were started 1,000s of years ago...

You are less than 1/1000th of the age required to have started a group to control others...

Have you questions on others who 'thought' they were a religious leaders please Google the following other so called religious idiots I mean icons no wait I mean leaders ...(cough)

Sun Myung Moon

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

David Koresh

Marshall Applewhite

Shoko Asahara

Jim Jones

Ayn Rand

PS

Not here to make friends to be honest...with friends like some of the above who needs enemies???

just trying to stop a bunch of babbling old ladies from proclaiming idiotology they were not alive to witness...

Peace

 

I think it's amazing you have the talent of reading between the lines. I forgot I mentioned I was a religious icon. Of course I am not a religious icon. What made you think I am? Anyway, who am I to think I have the right to be an icon? I am but a simple man who believes in God and his teachings from his word. Yet, it is not blind faith I have. I have studied very hard to find truths in the Bible and yes I have found truths. I just look around my congregation to see the people exactly described by the Bible.

There are some who have led a lot of people astray, yes. However, without proper knowledge, it would be quite easy to mislead so many. Would you agree?

Therefore, it pays to read up, not just one book, but many. Widen out your research and we will most probably learn something.

 

Hi

Well I got it from this line

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I can read between the lines very well and I am well enough read that I did the bible 7 times.. the Tao over a dozen (excellent reading for anyone) and the koran once or twice.


All the reading in the world only convinces me that religion is todays method of instilling law & order.

This can be seen by the likes of Soddom & Gommorah (SP) where if it were not for some control we would all be likely to have continued as our forefathers...

I was forced to attend church in that being forced to attend church is hypocritical of the bibles teaching so that left a bad taste in my mouth.

Next the bible can pretty much be riddled with false statements and misleading information,

When the one brother killed the other it is said god marked the killer...now many white people believed this to be god making men black...

however evolution and science teaches mans dark color was to prevent him from burning up in the sun or he got that way from the sun.

Tis why arabs have so much hair...to deal with the desert sand and why the asians have little body and facial hair....no deserts to deal with for the most part....

Those issues are not disputable and yet contradict the bible quite well,

So as you can see while your 'faith' makes you want to hold these things as truth..

life 101 staring you in the face in your fellow man should make an intelligent man question what is written.


"believe nothing of what you read and half of what you hear"

Holds true in sports politics and religion as well as anythig else in life

Hows that for reading between lines???


Peace and one love

 

Believe nothing of what you read? Oh well, there goes all the dictionarys and atlases and encyclopaedias. This could be viewed as an extreme statement. So, if you knew your family member died and it was in the "deaths" section of the newspaper the next day, would you not believe it because it is written?

I have faced life 101 all my life and yes, it does make me question what is written. It comes in the form of "study". Now, study does not come easy with most, even me. But, is worth the effort if you do it the right way.

Nice discussion this!

Col

 

Sem,

This belief about God making them black is not biblical, it is just a nazi twisting to try to come up with ways to sway the catholics at the time to come to their side of hatred.

Racists are the only one I know that believe that. On top of that if you follow further along when the flood came (afterwards) all humans are killed but Noah's family, so that blows that stupid theory out of the water.

Goes along with the flat earth scientist theories. Even when they tried to use the bible to make it sound like it said it was flat.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscussionPeace
I can hardly find muslims to answer these questions:

1. Question:

Is this from the Quran?

4 Women: ...4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them, ....


2. Question:

Is the content in the Hadith true?

dsp,
Thanks

Both the questions are easy to answer.

POINT 1 : This quotation is from the Quran, and it is said when the muslims were in war and they were told not to trust any unbeliever and Kill them where ever you find them.

This is because no commander of any army would tell his soliders during the battle to believe what his enemy is saying.
But in the very next chapter, chapter 5 God says to the believers that if they(enemy, disbelievers) seek refuge, take them to the place of safety. No commander can be so nice, even today to tell his soldiers to take his enemy to a safer place after he has won the war or his enemy has surrendered before him rather he would let them go.

Allah (God) is all merciful, he commands the muslims to lead the enemy to a safer place, if they(disbelievers) surrender or loose the battle.

POINT 2 : It is mentiond that The holy Quran is the word of GOD.
When ever their is a confusion refer it.
Hadith is not the word of Allah but it store information about the daily life of the prophet, which is written by humans, who are bound to make mistakes.
There is nothing wrong in Hadith and every muslim believes in Hadith but if their is a confusion the muslims refer to the word of GOD i.e The Holy Quran.

Allah is merciful, The Holy Quran is the true word of Allah!

 

Christians have been persecuted and killed for many years.

ANSWER 1: CRUSADE .......

Nobody from any other religion deny Jesus crucifixion except Islam.

ANSWER 2: No other religion recognises Jesus(PBUH) as a prophet of God or mention his name even in their books of knowledge. So the question of discussing the crucifixion does not arise in other religions.

I would suggest you learn from the Indians about the spiritual world.

ANSWER 3: Logical proof ..... please lets be practical.



as far as the hadith that you have mentioned please tell me who are the writers that you are refering to..... hadith is written by many people through ages not by one person.

So as I had earlier mentioned please specify the writer also..

Authentic proof!!!!!!!!!

 

Proof that Muslims don't know how to communicate other than blowing shit up. True

 

moq,

Give me "authentic" author of the Hadith that is true.

The answers I got are kind of "political".
One cannot see any solid and founded position.

I've spoken with Yogis and all of them acknowledge Jesus existed (end still exists).

About the practical issue. My opinion in general is that many Indians have deeper spiritual knowledge than most of the Muslims (IMO) and even most of the Christians (IMO).
Most of the Indians believe in Karma. Know that there is reincarnation, know that there are more advance beings that influance people to do the right things. Also that there are not so good beings around us who try to bring us harm. etc. etc.


If there are any Indians here could you please tell us what the Swamis say about Jesus?


The Hadith I took is from Sahih Bukhari:
After you check it out please tell me if it is truthful.
(Seems like you didn't like it.)
sunlove
Many Muslims are Muslims by tradition. Never read the Quran and the Hadith cover to cover.
I wish them read the New Testament - nothing to lose.
What is greater than?
Love your neighbor like yourself. Love each other. Love your enemies.


Everyone (who believes in God) is looking for the Divine kingdom. The Divine kingdom I am looking for is a kingdom of Love, Wisdom and Truth.

 

First off, sarahk, you write: "I can understand the prophet bit but the virgin birth is totally ridiculous. A DNA test would show he was Joseph's son, it doesn't make him any less important, if anything it demeans the message because it takes away from Mary's purity of mind and soul - which is why she was chosen."

By this you show a lack of OT understanding. You must remember that the birth of Jesus, and by the "virgin" was prophisied in the Bible.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (Mean God among us).

Isaiah was called to to the service of the Lord in the year 740BC. We know this date because it is the year of King Ussiah's death, which is referenced in the writing. That is some 700 hundred years before the birth of our Lord. Isaiah is so wonderful, there are so many prophetic writings concerning Christ. You should truly study this magnificent book.

Sem you write: "Got to love people talking about things which supposedly happened 1,000s of years ago yet none were even thought of at the time. I doubt one person here could trace their family back that far..."

We have no need to trace our family back that far. But this does not mean that we have no history. It is sheer self-absorption to equate ones own lineage with the history of mankind. Something, say, the Caesars might consider doing, but few others. And it is actually a far more humbling and satisfactory gesture to let go of "self," that is to say, ones, a-hem, personal family history en lieu of the greater family of us all.

You then write: "Are you all so naive as to not understand that religions were started by people who wanted to control other people??"

But in fact faith precedes religion. Religion is a man-made attempt at codification of that faith which is purely spiritual. Abrahams faith surely preceded his circumcision, for example. By the time of the birth of Jesus, the pharisee's had so bastardized this act of obedience that Paul finally had to address Peter and James after His Holy sacrifice to remove this impediment to true faith.

But the Word of God is NOT a religion, SEM, it is simply the Word of God. No one disliked the farce of showy religionists more than Jesus...

Ahh, but faith, now THAT is another thing altogether.

Read His Word, and if you have to - read it again.

IN Christ

 

Dear Dead

Well you have a little issue of the bible being written with quite a large amount of editorial freedom??

For instance in Genesis it starts with a deity creating the earth in 7 days.....

This is an amazing feat since the first calanders marked only months and the times of the moon but there was no set days...

Big lie number 1 in the very first book of the bible......not a good sign that this is anything to believe.....

Next care to tell me which of these religions you are arguing of prehistoric man worshipped???

Did the prehistoric man have a bible?? No did he have a koran... No...did he have any religious icons or other books...No and why not??? well because prehistoric man evolved.... he did not just get dropped here on earth by some deity....

This would mean the god you speak of then came after man.... as it would seem.....since prehistoric man wore pelts of clothing millions of years ago.....however in the bible of just a few thousand years ago... man was nude till eve ate the apple from the garden of knowledge...

see another contradiction you will not explain away as hard as you might try.

therefore we have another false statement in print

next you say faith preceeded religion...tell me then what did these people have faith in???

Again

"believe none of what you read and half what you hear"

Ohhh and what happened to that guys ark???

All of you christian, muslim, or whatever label you decided to adopt...there is one problem with all your beliefs and faith.....
Science has and will continue to destroy any religious doctrine... with evidence to the contrary of what has been written...

PS I read the bible seven times OT NT cover to cover....thats how I know the bookl of genesis starts with a lie as I mentioned there were no calanders yet this god person did all his work in 7 days.....

Cant wait to see you twist this one......

 

SEM, I have to go now but I will answer all of your questions one by opne. But first some food for thought: you write: "For instance in Genesis it starts with a deity creating the earth in 7 days....."

First off we read in the Bible:

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

This was written by Peter, the Rock upon which Jesus said He would build His church.

Next you write: "Did the prehistoric man have a bible?? No did he have a koran... No...did he have any religious icons or other books...No and why not??? well because prehistoric man evolved.... he did not just get dropped here on earth by some deity...."

I agree with you that prehistoric man "evolved" and I believe the Bible explicitly states as much. IN Genesis we read that man and woman were made BEFORE Adam and Eve and that God Breathed His Spirit into the man, essentially, this became God's first direct interaction with Man. Not the "first man" on earth. I believe when, in His good time, He felt we were ready HE gave us a shot. Well, lol, we disappointed Him and so begins our travails.

This is why I have stated that religion is doomed to have faults, but the Word of God not.

Anyway, got to go -

IN Christ

 

Please ask them if Jesus(PBUM) is mentioned in VEDAS, UPANISHADS, PURANA'S their Holy books.

And Please explain which was the book that the Popes referred to when they asked fanatic christians to kill, rape, brutally murder and molest innocent jews and muslims.... when they declared CRUSADES against them.

As far as the hadith is concerned you have quoted out of context and time and space does not permit me to go in details, but I would defend it by just saying read it thoroughly with an open mind, please.

And I have convincingly answered both the questions asked by the brother, and dont want to create hate but love by doing that. It is my goal to spread peace by answering queries but not to spread hate by going into unneccessary discussions.

ISLAM STANDS FOR PEACE, MAKE IT A WAY OF LIFE!

I hope that answers your question.

Come back to the original religion of ADAM(pbum),ABRAHIM (pbum), MOSES(pbum), JESUS(pbum) and MOHAMMED(pbum) i.e. Islam and become a believer a muslim.

 

moq, you write: "And Please explain which was the book that the Popes referred to when they asked fanatic christians to kill, rape, brutally murder and molest innocent jews and muslims.... when they declared CRUSADES against them."

Thank you very much for saying this. Because by this you display a sensitivity to the fact that it was not the Word of God which inspired them to their folly, but a pope's, (ie: Man's) interpretation, that sent them east in their ignorance of enlightenment.

It is very easy for me a s a CHristian to state that the Crusades were a complete and utter - goof! A misrepresentation of the Bible, the Holy Bible...

Can you, a muslem, say the same about the religious leaders of Islam. Those teachers of Isalm in the schools... can you admit that the word 'Isl;am' which you note means peace, actually represents 'peace through submission?' ANd is not in the same connotation of "Peace" in which you are suggesting it is, to somehow position yourself, your people, as peaceful folk who want only to be left alone...

This is not themandate of the Iman... and you know it.

Denounce Muslem Terrorists. I denounce the Crusaders of 900 hundred years ago.

IN Christ

 

Very interesting and enlightened response Dead but do you not see the coincidence of this god supposedly creating everything in seven (7) days when there was no calandar that marked days??

So to your quotation about Peter...days in a calandar of which there were none...no matter where it is written in the bible days were just not invented till after the bible.

This leads one to understand that the bible was written well after man learned to scribe on walls and as such is not a first hand experience of the writer but merely his slant on how things might have occured.

I am sure the thought of man evolving from the apes was met then with misunderstanding & denial as it is met today by many.....we fear what we do not understand...

This is seen today as our politicians use fears of religions we do not understand to label each of us terrorists in the others eyes..

While I do not agree with terrorist actions involving violence I would say we need to look at Bush boy as a liar a thief and con man...and not at what has occured eons ago as we cannot change history.

George Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction so he could take over a country replete with oil and line his pockets in gold...

.and yes I know the human rights attrocities that occured... but these occur in other countries and we are not in any rush to invade those.....

I cannot believe the entire invasion of Iraq was not seen at the 1,000,000s of gas pumps in the USA...and we fell for the idiots shite and voted him in again????? How stupid are we???

Richard Nixon committed just a minor sin and he was impeached..... yet we sit in fear I guess..... letting a man who has lied to a nation and as a leader of the free world...he lied to the entire world and he feels no repercussions.

Fuck George Bush, Fuck Osama Bin Laden, and FUCK anyone who supports either scumbag...

Learn to live in peace,

Clint Dixon

 

As usual your silence on the matter of terrorism is proof of your fanatacism, the very fanatacism that will destroy your people.

IN Christ

 

Surely you aren't that uninformed? What do you assert he lied about and where is the oil?

bush lied, people died.

 

"the evening and the morning" defines what the day was. Standard Jewish definition at the time.

So unless the time from evening to morning has gotten significantly shorter...

I don't know why people focus on the word "day" so much. It's irrelavent seeing as it was defined in the very same sentence.

 

Moq I didn't see the answers to:


1. Which Hadith you think is true?


What I put is a whole case happaning. I didn't use a portion of it. It is not "out of context" sentence or meaning.

Here it is again and you put the other relevent text you think I didn't inqlude.

(26) Narrated Anas: Some people from 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them, so Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) allowed them to go to the herd of camels (given as Zakat) and they drank their milk and urine (as medicine) but they killed the shepherd and drove away all the camels. So Allah's Apostle sent (men) in their pursuit to catch them, and they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut, and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron and they were left in the Harra (a stony place at Medina) biting the stones.(See Hadith No. 234, Vol. 1) (Book #24, Hadith #577)


2. Do you believe this is true:

......... So Allah's Apostle sent (men) in their pursuit to catch them, and they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut, and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron and they were left in the Harra (a stony place at Medina) biting the stones.Hadith No. 234, Vol. 1) (Book #24, Hadith #577)

Just answer: Yes or No. And put the whole text you think is relevant. (I know those who Muhammad punished committed a crime. That is clear to me.)



In regards to:

Please ask them if Jesus(PBUM) is mentioned in VEDAS, UPANISHADS, PURANA'S their Holy books.

Answer:
God Gave different Gurus according to the people in certain areas of the Earth. For the Indians those Gurus (Maha Avatars) were best suited for them. And it is very likely Jesus was not mentioned from their Gurus and Maha Avatars.
You know East and West are different. So are the people.


I see often muslims saying "they took this, they took that out of context."

Please, take out of context anything about Jesus. Use the New Testament - That Testament is associated with Jesus. (Sorry if I repeted myself, some are trying to put us "together" with using the Bible putting it under Christianity.
sunlove
I am ready to accept any Divine ideas better than:

Love each other. Love your neighbor like yourself. Love your enemies.
From any prophet, Guru, Maha Avatar.

 

Thats nice you posted a bunch of quotes all from people who are politicans and hacks,.....what did you expect them to say bush was smoking crack???


I think maybe you might be misinformed or did you miss the chump of staff admitting there were no weapons of mass destruction.


Now here for you to become informed and not follow the president just because a bunch of people made an error voting a nitwit in office

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/156352_bushsummit13.html

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/22/1421212

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/001670.html

http://www.correntewire.com/the_mother_of_all_walkbacks_bush_admits_iraq_had_nothing_to_do_with_9_11

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/14/bush.iraq/index.html

I could post one of these for every hacks speech you posted in your thread found here

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=283676&postcount=4

And you posted a quote by an even more corrupt political hack.,,,

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

I have something for you to read about teddy

http://www.ytedk.com/

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAkennedyE.htm

Ted Kennedy???? A drunk driving, sexual harrassing killer you quote????

You are very easily led ...very very easily....LOL

Good try...me misinformed????

Not