Malaysia: Four Christian churches attacked over controversy on the use of "Allah"

Malaysia: Four Christian churches attacked over controversy on the use of "Allah"

Why muslims like "abdobasha2004, new, imad,.... " and etc. around the world muslims keep screaming Islam is under attack, when it is just the other way around?

Muslims in general attack non muslims over all kind of ridiculous and stupid reasons.... like touching the quran, asking wrong questions about islam and muhammad ...


Kuala Lumpur (AsiaNews) - "There is no immediate danger, but the situation is still worrying." This was the comment reported to AsiaNews by Fr Lawrence Andrew, editor of the Catholic weekly Herald, on last night’s attack of "three Protestant and one Catholic church ". The priest also confirms "a national propaganda campaign" of the Muslim majority, so that "the name of Allah can only be used to refer to the God of Islam."

Around midnight on Wednesday an explosion damaged the administrative offices of Metro Tabernacle Church, a Protestant church in Kuala Lumpur. Three other Christian places of worship, including the Catholic Church of the Assumption in Petaling Jaya, were also attacked. The assailants threw a Molotov cocktail inside the building, which caused minimal damage. Fr. Lawrence reported that in addition to places of worship some "cars owned by Catholics” were attacked, with “bodywork damaged and broken windows, but there are no injuries."

The anger of the fundamentalist wing in the country was unleashed by the December 31st decision by High Court judges allowing Christians to use the word "Allah" in reference to God contrary to the government ban. The government has announced it will appeal the ruling. Today a protest rally, sponsored by 58 Muslim NGOs, was held on the streets of the capital which was attended by about 300 people
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http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=17291&size=A

 

When I read about that, I wondered why these people want the christians to use the word "God" instead of "Allah" while the prophet, peace be upon him and his family, didn't say to the christians at his time to use the word "Ilah = god" instead of "Allah = the god/God".

Some funny muslims that need to be educated more about Islam bfore they defend it.

So many people behave wrongly while they think they are doing well!!!

 

Which Islam will you educate them on?
For me all muslims need great deal of reeducation starting with forgetting everything they know about what God is all about. Because most of them got the idea for God very wrong.
The children of God cannot behave like animals, they are suppose to be good, loving and noble people. That's how I understand it.

 

Christians for the majority have no idea how they offend other religions, so please help these people understand your faith by sitting down with them and saying why certain things bother you.

It's sort of hilarious that the use of certain sounds will bring a wave of hate upon you.

 

There is one religion I know about that offends, insults, oppresses and abuses people including young girls, which, way too many muslims support an tolerate.
Muslims of today must remodel islam as it is not helping them, but is holding their development back.

 

It sounds to me like their asserting that they don't want any other group or faction speaking about the god they know and worship. When people believe things, they want to defend their beliefs. Christian churches were probably talking about the god of Islam for some Christian teaching and these guys don't want them having any part of their god.

Figure they might've been to scared of AK-47 wielding terrorists to talk so loudly about Jesus? Why are Christian churches delving into a god they don't even worship to begin with? There are plenty of sermons based around the gospel that could be of much greater use in an area so overrun with troubles and war. Words of peace and forgiveness go a long way under the right circumstances - universal between Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

What I would like to know is where is the humanitarian effort for Tibet? What more can we do for this struggling country? It seems as though we've been so concerned over our new foster child Israel that other worldly concerns are of less significance... or less profit.

Driving bamboo shards beneath one's fingernails is a horrible torture and should be policed by the UN! Over 300 temples were destroyed between 1952 and now in Tibet. Chinese have repopulated the area with local Chinese and sponsored immigrants to quicken the process of assimilation.

Tibet has had its own culture for over 800 years and China has recently laid claim to an old right of ownership to the land. Death, life imprisonment, unthinkable torture by use of rope, cattle prod, bamboo canes and worse has come there.

Why are we so focused on the religions that make us different and not the unities we have as civil people - the world would be a better place if we weighed if something were wrong or right by whether we would like having it done to us first.

It's a sad thing when things like this go on for decades and no one cares but now we have to war against the middle east for oil, power and position. War on ideals. War on drugs. When did the WORLD stop being important next to our own cultural DEFECTS and perceptions?

I think that the world has been in a war - a war for its' people and the humane treatment of them all over. If we can only judge the progress of our nations by the worst of its citizens, I would want that citizen fed, dressed, cared for with medical attention, offered as much privilege and right as he earned in respect and I would want them provided every opportunity to better themselves, expand their minds, and break free of their own fears that cause them to break the laws (if the worst citizens of all nations were in fact law breakers).

I'm just saying that it's sad to see two religions clash when they can and are melding so well in so many places.

 

according to the religion of peace, Imad's statement in a post here, http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1646414&page=2

Q: Is there cruelty in Islam?

A: No, there is not, but there is justice which can be seen as cruelty by some.

So each and every cruel act on humans and violation of universal human rights is justice that may look cruel only.

So if we consider this as moderate then one can imagine what we're up to.

 

how about popes raping kids?

Well, you are wrong sir, crimes are committed in every religion. How ignorant can you get? You aren't even worth the explaining (as it will go in the one ear and comes out the other)

good day

 

Your thread always spread hate b/w people.. from which religion you are???

and let me tell you that you are asking to Muslims for one church.. let me know who gave the answers about those thousands of mosque attacked by Christan, jews, Hindu in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebonan, Phalestine, Pakistan, India??

any answer?

 

YOU EITHER BRING PROOF THAT POPES RAPED KIDS, OR YOU'RE SPREADING LIES.....
Which only imad and a few others love to believ in.
Looking at the muslims here and the ones I know I tend to think that muslims use lies quiet often for personal interests..... is that allowed by the quran?



As far as I am making islam hateful threads, look again, who hurts who. It is muslims who hurt others on the bases of Religion.
Didn't you muslims notice that we never read in the news "Budhist attacked those and those".
Or Krishna followers did this or that.

Why you keep sticking witht the dogmas from the past? Don't you think it is time to change?

Forget about violence, child marriage, women beating, stoining, and etc. no one will say anything negative, but for as long as Islamists behaive like vampires for so long people will be exposing them to protect themselves.

Again, a lot of muslims are good people. The danger comes from the "true followers of islam, as we know from experience, the true followers often go fanatic and often turn to violence.".

 

Right, I am spreading lies...but I wonder why the pope issued an order

Their are corrupts in every religion...I guess you can't handle that eh? well yes, might as well blame one religion

 

YOU GAVE NO PROOF that popes rape children!!! So you are spreading lies.

Those priests or Christian religios people who commit crimes are sent to court and IMO they have to be held accountable to much higher standards than the ordinary people. In Islam child marriage, women beating and many barbaric acts are blessed by the imams and the Quran.

What's your next lie about Christianity?

 

don't you remember? I am spreading lies...why would I want to diss a religion? You know exactly what I meant...I'll say it again, No one is perfect...every religion has their own crimes..I was making a point, not talk BS about religions...I don't hate a book because of its cover

 

All I can say now is lie and truth are something you don't really care much about. The most important thing for you is to hold on to some dogmatic beliefs..... which modern day societies have exposed big time.

Do you really believe a 9 year old girl is fit for marriage? The fact that muhammad married a 9 year girl should be one of the strongest red lights that any descent man should have noticed and figure out that something is wrong with this teacher of islam.
Why you keep sticking this man muhammad in our eyes as a prophet?
If a man does today what he/muhammad did your prophet will fit the description of a:
- pedophile - married and had sex with a 9 year old girl.
- murderer - ordered the execution of poets
- war criminal - allowed over 600 prisoners of war to be beheaded.
Which man in his right mind with follow the teaching of such a "teacher"?

 

Your discussion out of topic.. ( i have noticed that you did every time when you have no answers of others question)

Ok let me know whats wrong If Muhammad Marry with a 9 year old? That was happened 1400 year old not now.. At the time - Marrying when a person has just hit puberty was completely normal. and this rule was set to safe people from sexual activities (not allowed any where i think) If you guys also apply this rule i am sure that women will never pregnant before marriage and not search any doctor to kill the baby (abortion)

One thing i want to know.. why non Muslims discuss these issue? just spreading hate?? am i right?

 

2 Questions:

1. Now explain please how 1,400 years ago girls were reaching puberty at 9 and now about 13??? Give us some proofs, but not from muslims sources. SCIENTIFIC PROOFS PLEASE!

2. Give us proof please that IT IS SAFE FOR A GIRL (AND THE BABY) WHO JUST REACHED PUBERTY TO GET PREGNANT. Prove us please that a 10 year old girl will be an excellent mother and care taker for a baby.

(Let me educate on this 1,400 years ago the marriage age for girls was not 9 but 14-16 at the lowest. This islamic lie that girls were ready for sex we don't buy it. 9 year of age is coming only from islam and way under developed countries with low health standards.)

I cannot spread love for islam since that would endorse child marriage, women beating, stoning, lashings and all other uncivilized practices that are part of islam. I can spread love for all people including muslims, but cannot do that for islam. Sorry.

If you cannot see what is wrong with a 53 year old man to marry a 9 year old girl sorry man too bad for you, I can't help you.

 

an article entitled Puberty in Girls by an Australian government Public Health organization, says:

The first sign of puberty is usually a surge of growth: you become taller; your breasts develop; hair begins to grow in the pubic area and under the arms. This may start from 10 years to 14 years - even earlier for some and later for others.

An article Physical Changes in Girls During Puberty has this to say:

During puberty, a girl's body changes, inside and out, into the body of a woman. The changes don't come all at once, and they don't happen at the same time for everybody. Most girls start showing physical changes around age 11, but everyone has her own internal schedule for development. It's normal for changes to start as early as 8 or 9 years of age, or not until 13 or 14. Even if nothing looks or feels different yet, the changes may have already begun inside your body.

Many will readily agree with the information above, but still might harbour reservations about whether a marriage to an older man could be happy for such a young girl. Putting aside the modern Western notions of "happiness" for a moment, the marriage of cAishah and the Prophet(P) was a mutually happy and loving one as in expressed in numerous hadîth and seerah books. That happy marriages occur between people with a fairly large difference in ages is known among psychologists:

When the differences (in ages) is great, e.g. exceeds fifteen to twenty years, the results may be happier. The marriage of an elderly (senescent) not, of course, an old (senile) man to a quite young girl, is often very successful and harmonious. The bride is immediately introduced and accustomed to moderate sexual intercourse. 7

More Wisdom Behind It

In his comments on the ahadith in Sahîh Muslim which mention cAishah's young marriage to the Prophet(P), cAbdul-Hamîd Siddiqî shows three other reasons for this marriage:

cAishah's marriage to the Prophet Muhammad(P) at an early age allowed her to be an eyewitness to the personal details of his life and carry them on to the succeeding generations. By being both spiritually and physically near to the Prophet(P), the marriage prepared 'Aishah to be an example to all Muslims, especially women, for all times. She developed into a spiritual teacher and scholar, since she was remarkably intelligent and wise. Her qualities help support the Prophet's work and further the cause of Islam. cAishah, the Mother of the Believers, was not only a model for wives and mothers, but she was also a commentator on the Qur'ân, an authority on hadîth and knowledgeable in Islamic Law. She narrated at least 2,210 ahâdîth that give Muslims valuable insights into the Final Prophet's daily life and behaviour, thus preserving the Sunnah of Muhammad(P).

At that time, this marriage refuted the notion that a man could not marry the daughter of a man who he had declared to be his "brother" (even in the religious sense). Since the Prophet(P) and Abu Bakr had declared each other to be "brothers", this notion was done away with. This is demonstrated in the following hadîth:

Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet(P) asked Abu Bakr for cAishah's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said, "But I am your brother." The Prophet(P) said, "You are my brother in God's religion and His Book, but she (cAishah) is lawful for me to marry." (Sahîh al-Bukhârî, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18)

The marriage did away with the pagan Arab superstition that it was a bad omen to be married in the month of Shawwal. They thought that the month carried this omen since the word Shawwal was derived from Shaala, which carried a bad omen. The authentic ahadith indicate that the Prophet(P) and cAishah were married in this lunar month.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html (i can just wish that you read it)

 

One suggest for you..Islam is religion of Muslims and they have no problem with its rules and regulations... If you dont want to follow Islam and dont want to accept Islam please dont start any more thread against them... (like you are doing from the first day you join the forum)

you are Just spreading the hate..( I dont know whats your religion teach you)

 

You are missing BIG POINTS! The marrieage of Muhammad to the 9 year old is assumed by most muslim men as a green light to marry children. One can sugar coat anything including a marriage to a child, but the wise will see that muhammad did that for personal sex satisfaction. There is no need for a prophet to marry a child to teach her wisdom. It is ridiculous to believe that muhammad had sex with a child for her best interest.
This man muhammad was a killer, he was able to kill anyone who opposed him and he did that a number of times. So a young girl does not have much choice. She was betrayed by her father and instead of having normal childhood she was given for sex to 53 old man, who btw died 8 years later. What a selfishness on muhammad's part to leave a 18 year old woman widow..... (provided he new when he would die.)

The greatest spiritual masters NEVER MARRIED! Because they don't come on earth to have sex, muhammad married too many women and by doing that he prooved one more time he was a self made prophet. The evidence is overwhelming. A true prophet would have never done the crimes muhammad committed. Never.
Even in the haddith that you mention, there is so much violence in it that it screams loud it is the work of anybody, but a prophet.
When one reads the quran and the hadith he does not feel uplifted, but full with a negative feelings and twisted thinking. It just pulls you down.
You may believe in whatever you like, but the truth is the quran is and will be inspirational book for violence.
Want another proof? Just wait for about a week and you will see what the next terrorist or barbaric act by a devoted muslim will bring.