Disprove any, and you can disprove all. . .but you can't, huh???

Do you have any scientific fact that GHYX148YT doesn't exist? Therefore GHYX148YT is real and kick your God's ass any day.
The lack of evidence for non existence of God doesn't prove that God exists, the same as lack of non existence of GHYX148YT or Santa Claus proves their existence.

 

The fact that you are here is evidence enough to suggest that God has a sense of humor!

 

It must be the trailer park trash humor type and that is the reason only you see it.

 

What is your fetish with Trailer Parks again? Do you live in one or something?

 

Wrong (again). I'll repeat it again for you. Perhaps you lack the capacity to understand past throwing insults? The fact that I, or you, have no evidence means that we cannot say as scientific fact that GHYX148YT either exists or does not exist. If you have no evidence, and I have no evidence, then both of us are simply expressing a belief, an opinion. You can believe he exists. I can believe he does not. Neither of us is expressing a fact in that instance. Neither of us is right or wrong based on the facts before us, given both of us have produced fat diddly squat.

Your problem is you want those expressing (and acknowledging that they are expressing) a belief to produce scientific fact. Whilst demanding and stamping your foot like a spoilt child that you should have to produce no scientific facts for your own atheist beliefs.


In the absence of proof, how could either of us proclaim a scientific fact? It would be up to the person proclaiming a fact to produce the evidence - i.e. You. In which case you've failed miserably to produce one shred of evidence for your assertions. Maybe that's why you've resorted to insults? To cover up your lack of facts?In the absence of any (even one?) fact from you, it's entirely reasonable to treat your statements as simply your beliefs. And that is all atheism is - a belief. It's as far removed from scientific fact as religion is.

You seem to consistently confuse atheism with scientific fact. Do look up the difference if you get a chance. It would do your childish ramblings the world of good. If you cannot distinguish between the two, I'll leave you off to continue your entry level argument, or when challenged on the absurdity of your posts, the abuse of others.

 

And the fact you are here is evidence enough that he is willing to inflict pain on the rest of us.

 

There is no scientific proof that Santa Clause or fairies don't exist but an intelligent person doesn't believe in their existence. An atheist person can handle the real life without dependence on an imaginary friend while religious person needs an imaginary friend to manage the daily life.

 

Please nobody must forget that religious people are the victims here. We can't blame them too much because their mind has been abused at a very young age before their brain was fully formed, and it is very difficult to break away from this non-sense even at adulthood.
I think it is a pity that children are not protected from "religious" education like they are from "sexual" education.
Nobody can blame a person to be sexually messed up when they have been sexually abused when they were children. It's very traumatic, same goes with religion.
I can see that religious people even in this thread have logic and employ it, it's a pity that it is wasted on such a foolish topic, it would be better if all human minds could devote their logical capacities to useful topics to advance humanity as a whole. A lot of brain power, time and even human lives are lost because many children are psychologically abused and the society does nothing about it.

 

There is no scientific proof dreams exist either, but an intelligent person does believe they occur. Do you believe in dreams occur gworld? Even without your treasured scientific proof?

An atheist person just needs the comfort of thinking they deal in facts, whilst a religious person has the ability to understand that not everything in life is based on absolute fact. I have no idea why atheists feel the need to dupe themselves like this. Who knows, maybe the scale of things just frightens them

 

This shows how much religious people know and how desperate they are to hang on to their imaginary friend. In a way you remind me of my cousin 2 years old son who can not go to sleep without his favorite blanket to comfort him.

In regard to dreams, those are brain activities which are measured very easily by doctors, they can even pin point exact time when we start to dream in our sleep and when it finishes.

 

Seem's your the only person calling religious people victims. What is it atheists comprise? 2% of the world population? Brought up by parents that instilled and ground atheist beliefs into them from a young age?

We should establish a support group for atheists so that they could break away from their atheist upbringing and get a chance to think for themselves. Their a unique breed with the ability to transform beliefs into facts on a whimisical basis of their own choosing. They should be treasured, even studied, for their ability to deny scientific rules should have to apply to them.

 

And you remind me of a man from the other end of town that is slightly mad and delusional. Demanding proof and yet producing none for your own beliefs But good to see you went back to insults as some sort of defense for your argument. You always know you've won when the best you can do is insult, isn't that the atheists standard?

As regards your statement on dreams, if you feel that brain activity is proof of dreams, than truly you should immediatly submit your theory and collect your Nobel Prize. It seems you have evidence that no other scientist in the world has been able to produce - proof of dreams! So please, Submit your thesis ASAP to the scientific community and sit back and watch them bow down before you. Do check back and let us know how you get on!! Or is this simply another case of your putting forth beliefs and insisting they are facts?! Maybe you simply have a very, very different (low?) standard of proof than everybody else in the world?

 

I suppose being uneducated is a prerequisite for being religious.

Learn about dream

Glad to educate you, read and learn.

 

I don't know where you take your 2% from but that is unrelevant anyway.
From those 98% do you think the religious people all believe in the same stories or just those that has been taught to them while young?

I said that breaking away from a religion taught when a person's mind is very weak (kid) is very difficult at adulthood, but I didn't say it is impossible, many do break away and in this case you can't blame the attheist upbringing.
I don't think there are that many proportionally of attheist then becoming religious except for mental illnesses such as depression and finding a support group in a religious community.

Why is it so hard to realize that since there are so many DIFFERENT religions, they can't all be right and are most probably all wrong?

 

Good insult there. From the atheist manual perhaps? You're default argument at this stage seems to revolve around insults rather than producing anything resembling a fact to back up your beliefs. .

Oh dear. The first item you've highlighted in bold:

"In general researchers believe.... "

Note the word BELIEVE - even the researchers acknowledge that their observations are not scientific fact! At best, you could say that they have proven increased brain activity - but that in and of itself is not proof of dreams! And yet you somehow manage to convince yourself that there is indeed scientific fact for dreams. Ouch. I'm sure the researchers will be stunned to find that using the word 'believe' can be translated by atheists into FACT! Great going man. At least read what you're about to post to ensure it backs up your assertions, not disproves them!

Again, do you understand the difference between beliefs and scientific fact? You believe in dreams, but cannot produce any proof for them. Neither has any scientist. When challenged on this, you post something that indeed asserts my position that scientists have not proven dreams occur. Wow, Fail sticker heading your way. To paraphrase for you, you believe God does not exist, but cannot provide any proof either.

Again, if you do indeed have proof of dreams, do submit them to the scientific community. I promise you, that Nobel Prize will be all yours!! Your discovery could be greater than the Theory of Relativity! You will go down in history! Get cracking man!

 

yes, the 2% was only an illustration, the point being that the overwhelming majority would believe in a god.
Your point about religion being taught is taken, we've covered that before that the young will tend to accept that which is taught to them. The same applies to young that have atheists parents/upbringing etc.

Yes, I've accepted that point before. Just as many do break away from an atheist upbringing and revert back to some form of belief.

I think this is just your opinion. As devoid of fact as the atheist beliefs perhaps?

Why is it so hard to realize that that isn't the issue at hand? The issue at hand is the atheist assertion that there 'is no god' yet not being able to prove it, but at the same time insisting that that particular atheist statement should magically be taken as fact? All I've been saying is that athesim is a belief devoid of sceintific fact. Not that religion was correct, or religion A was fact. Religion is a belief and in the absence of proof it's perfectly fine to believe something. That's the nature of a belief. My argument is simply that atheism is also a belief. Equally devoid of anything resembling a scientific fact. Dunno what's so hard to grasp about that. Atheists believe their own assertions. Religious folks believe their own assertions. Yet atheism somehow **believes** that their assertions are facts!

 

Well, I understand what you mean, but that's not what most people here mean. So to answer you (rockyg) the major difference between atheist and religious people is the amount of stuff to believe, in the case of attheist their only belief is that there is no god, or that if there's something which can be called god, it isn't described in any of the religions. Religious people on the other hand have a lot of different stuffs to believe in.
That's the difference and that's why I don't like attheist being called a belief system, because there's not enough to be called a system.
attheist: no god
religious people: there's a god and he's like that and he wants that and that and here's what he has done in the past, etc.

attheists don't even have to believe in evolution or to research it. they don't need to search for answers. So it's not a belief system for me.

 

Hmmm, but we tell our kids that they are, huh? So then, each one of our kids, who believes any and every thing that Daddy and Mommy tells them (because, after all, Daddy and Mommy would lie to their Kids, right?), are some of the most UN-"intelligent person"s on the face of the Planet, huh?

It is written (long before you and I were even a gleam in our Daddy's semen), "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. (1Corinthians 1:19)"

 

Many men wasted their lives waiting for god's judgment, nothing but empty promises.

 

We live/exist in a dimension of Eternity called Time. . .just because GOD'S Promises/Judgments have not happened in your 100 years (liberally so) of knowing that you currently are, doesn't mean that GOD'S "promises" are "empty".

Remember this, Roman, HE IS GOD, and THE ONLY ONE HE has to impress (and/or Prove anything to, in the here and now) is HIMSELF.

You and I, and our great+++granddaddy Adam messed up any chance that you and I may have had at impressing HIM. . .so what HE'S doing now is making it so that, after HE'S finished with HIS MASTER-PLAN, you and I will have learn HIS lesson well and we can go on to be the little GODS, do things our own individual way. . .according to HIS WILL, and deal with a bunch of south-ends of northbound mammals (for as long as we choose to) such as we have been to HIM.