This is for ChaosTrivia: Israel's accomplishments

Lol .. sure they are unmatched
no one can match the crimes committed by isreal and zionists , after-all when a state is itself based on a crime and lie than what good can you expect from them

and what an irony why do you need to keep telling us that how great and accomplished you are while at the same time crying how you have been treated badly

and what a thread based on proudness and bigotry , telling others that how superior you FEEL!
btw

Now that tells us how good of a atheist you are
please stop the lies and deception!

 

Nice thread. If only the Muslims stopped with their jealousy and stopped celebrating murder and terrorism, they could reach the status of the Jews.

 

Still waiting for some jewish to answer me, thankfully.

 

for what happen with david irving, is a speech crime, he was sent to jail because preaching what he believe in.

 

can we throw someone to jail because s/he is a racist?

 

I am surprised that you don't know it for yourself. I will try to give you my own personal one. A "jewish answer" does not exist, not on this and not on anything. Judaism is not Islam, where there is 1, 2, of max. 3 schools of thought. There are 13 million jews in the world that have 13 million opinions on all issues. You cant understand how this could be, I know, but maybe someday you will. This "non-crowd-like" behaviour of the jews, which do not exist in Islam, is commonly misinterpreted by the Israel-haters to "prove" a point which is wrong in first place. Imad is the champion in doing this


Israelis registered 7,000 patents and saudis registered 100 patents (with a much bigger population), because:

In Israel:

while In Saudi Arabia:

On Israeli TV for kids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rta4fzH5C9E
While on saudi TV for kids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL0C2QvqIlo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg3m3t87-dk

For adults it gets much worse...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7OYRknGgEc&NR=1 (hear what this woman says. from 2:00' and on)

just two examples of thousands.

I hope that this answers your question:
Its not race. and not holy book.

Its education for real knowledge vs. indoctrination and miseducation.
Its very sad that Israel is the only country in the whole middle east where the education is a 21th century and not 7th century education.

 

I didn't reply to the link about David Irving, because I wasn't quite sure how it relates to freedom of speech in America. You posted the Wiki page for David Irving, with the statement "freedom of speech in america, no more" along with information on the US hate crime law.

If you're just wondering what I think about David Irving as a separate issue:

I'm not familiar with David Irving. Everything I know, I just learned from reading the first part of his Wiki page. It says he was an "active Holocaust denier, antisemite and racist" and that he was sent to prison under the Verbotsgesetz law. I don't have time right now to read it all, but I can tell you, the US doesn't outlaw holocaust denial.

 

How can they catch up?

 

You reminded me with the history of a jewish rabbi:

Source.

Justice is one standard, not multi-opinions.

Islam is Justice and Development.

Lo! Allah enjoineth justice and doing good, and giving to kinsfolk, and forbiddeth lewdness and abomination and wickedness. He exhorteth you in order that ye may take heed. (90)

Fulfil the covenant of Allah when ye have covenanted, and break not your oaths after the asseveration of them, and after ye have made Allah surety over you. Lo! Allah knoweth what ye do. (91)

And be not like unto her who unravelleth the thread, after she hath made it strong, to thin filaments, making your oaths a deceit between you because of a nation being more numerous than (another) nation. Allah only trieth you thereby, and He verily will explain to you on the Day of Resurrection that wherein ye differed. (92)

Had Allah willed He could have made you (all) one nation, but He sendeth whom He will astray and guideth whom He will, and ye will indeed be asked of what ye used to do. (93)

Make not your oaths a deceit between you, lest a foot should slip after being firmly planted and ye should taste evil forasmuch as ye debarred (men) from the way of Allah, and yours should be an awful doom. (94)

And purchase not a small gain at the price of Allah's covenant. Lo! that which Allah hath is better for you, if ye did but know. (95)

That which ye have wasteth away, and that which Allah hath remaineth. And verily We shall pay those who are steadfast a recompense in proportion to the best of what they used to do. (96)

Whosoever doeth right, whether male or female, and is a believer, him verily we shall quicken with good life, and We shall pay them a recompense in proportion to the best of what they used to do. (97)

BTW, You cannot ignore the basic knowledge just because they are old.

Now I will tell you why there are few muslim's scientists in the middle east. It is because there is no enough payment for education and researches.

Also, when people think that their effort and achievment will be stolen (by some princes or leaders' friends, etc.), or it will cause their life to be in danger, they simply stop their researches and achievements to have a pleasant, peacful life.

 

I don't think that holocaust denial should be outlawed. Outlawing holocaust denial is outlawing stupidity.

These racists should be allowed to be heard - they are doing a great service to the jewish nation by illustrating best how the holocaust could have happened and why Israel's existence is vital.

 

Why there is not enough payment for education and research?
it is not important in the eyes of the people of your country (who do not educate nor research)?
Kuwait is the 4th richest country in the world, there is no science there too and a lot of money.
Your country, is only 10km away from Israel, and 2000 years behind in scientific research. Why?

Economy of Saudi Arabia:

Clearly, once oil will be finished/not needed anymore, your country will join the world's poorest nations. Even poorer than the most miserable ones in Africa.
Isn't it time for you to take your head out of the quran and open your first book of science?

 

ChaosTrivia how much do you think secularism has to do with this?

 

No. We cant. Rebecca has already beaten me to the punch in answering this idiocy but, in the country he decided to visit of his own free will, holocaust denial is against the law. It isn't exactly like he just made some offhanded remark while he was there. He is a published author of Holocaust denial. Why would he expect any different treatment? It would be like Salman Rushdie visiting Afghanistan or Yemen. It was a predetermined outcome. Like ChaosTrivia, I don't believe holocaust denial should be a crime, and it certainly isn't in the US. That said, I do find it funny the guy spent several years in prison for being an ignorant racist asshole. Had he died from it, it would have been worthy of a Darwin award.

New, you are always quick with an ignorant quip. Joe Lieberman, the resident Jew in our congress is the bane of existence for anyone who has the sack to add him to a presidential ticket. You are obviously not familiar with US history, but Jews, like many other ethnic minorities(Arabs,Japanese, Blacks, Irish, Italians, Native Americans), have been discriminated against within the US for a very long time. That is changing, and our black president is a good symbol of that change, but to deny any ethnic group sticks together , including the WASPs or hateful Muslim terrorists, is to deny the human condition.

Perhaps you are referring to the powerful pro-Israel Jewish lobby which exists in America. If so, you should be aware that no one lobby "controls or runs" the US, as there seems to be no end to special interests in America, including the Banking lobby, the Health Insurance lobby, the Global Warming lobby, the Oil Cartel lobby, the Gay Rights Lobby, the Womens Rights lobby, the Indian Rights lobby, the Trial Attorneys lobby, the Black Power lobby, the White Power lobby, the Palestinian lobby, and yes, even the Terrorist Sympathy lobby(who probably share sponsors with the Palestinian lobby). I would guess the Pro-Israel lobby has a lot more cash behind it than the Palestinian lobby or the Terrorist Sympathy lobby, so perhaps if your people focused less on Islam and the destruction of Israel, and more on making money, you would have a better funded lobby, and therefore better US support. Of course, as I pointed out earlier, once you've switched focus, the argument becomes mostly moot so you loose either way.

 

Good post. Agree.
New, tomorrow morning you go to the library and not to the mosque. Learn an introductory course on the most basic concepts and the foundation of western 21th century thinking and philosophy (i.e. "what is democracy?" , "what is liberty?", "how to critically read information?"). Invent the next firewall, disk on key, miraculous drug, etc', and then people will start listening to you instead of mocking you. You will get more money, and you will be able to destroy Israel. I'm not sure that once your IQ raises above 70, you will find its destruction necessary anymore, but who knows....

To great extent, of course. but it is not the main factor. The main factor is what I call "religious tradition" and its hard for me to explain.

 

Let me say: hilarious thread and I got some one SO butthurt, logic and truth seem to just make people angry XD

tl;dr Jews are not better than anyone else, regardless of whatever statistics you may think support your position.

lmao you guys are too much

I was really hoping for some actual depth in the responses :\ but I mean, defending Judaism isn't the easiest position to take so I do applaud your efforts to some degree.

It's amazing how easily you fall into a devil's advocacy, mein juden, calm yourselves and your egos for your own sakes; no one really cares about you anyway, live and let live.

I for one cannot wait for either the day when all Jews return to Israel, or when American tax dollars stop going to Israel; anything else is abusing American Muslim citizens as well as citizens that plainly do not support the existence of the state of Israel backed by American $ and blood.

Not gonna feel sorry for a people surrounded by enemies when...they moved to that neighborhood <3

Oh, and my grandparents say "you're welcome" for saving either your own grandparents or their friends <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

XD It's the Catholic guilt I guess, we just HAVE to save our fellow man regardless of their creed, something about understanding equality and love?

P.S. 6 million Jews died, how many Catholics/Blacks/Freemasons/Gypsies/Gays/Handicapped were killed? They don't matter, do they, mein juden? Only the 6 MILLION number matters, because they were the numbers of your own who were killed...but you care not about anyone else...Beautiful people you are, being defended by people who would defend you even if you struck their cheek.

 

Traditione.
Don't worry, next year you will get accepted to art school.
Go home have a beer and relax.
I hope your delusional dreams will stop.
Good luck.

 

Considering the Catholic Church and the pope supported the Nazis and Hitler in many ways, I'd put the Catholic body count fairly low. Of course supporting a guy like Hitler was softball for the Catholics who have a long history of genocide in the name of their religion, but you were the one bringing up the idea that somehow Catholicism and Nazism were in some way at odds. Why is it that ignorance and bigotry go hand in hand?

 

Oh yea? Just look how stupid you sound

 

.... in continuation with my self-pat-on-the-back-post:

• Israel has the highest cancer survival ratio in the world. a combination of free-for-everyone healthcare system + a cutting-edge cancer research institutes + daring experiments.
• On monday I go to Switzerland to ski, but the snow which I will be skiing on is a zionist snow!
  http://www.france24.com/en/node/4922021
  http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1225199607867&pagename=JPArticle/ShowFull
  http://www.independent.co.uk/travel...how-made-it-snow-again-in-autumn-1014874.html

 

That's really COOL!