Ha'aretz says U.S. officials face 'pro-Israel' background check

You know the anti-semite crowd simply dilutes that "anti-semite" word, so much that in 10 years it won't mean a thing.

How can an Israeli news article be Antisemitism?

How can questioning the Israeli governments policies be Antisemitism?

How can believing that a US politicians loyalties should be with the US, be Antisemitism?

It's like the British government and their supporters saying anyone that questions the UK or it's policies is anti-british.

Lets see:

Oh so you don't like Gordon Brown? ah your anti-british.

Oh you don't like the new law from the UK expelling Muslims, Buddists, Jews, blacks? ah your anti-british.

Oh so you don't like yorkshire pudding? ah your anti-british.

Oh you say the UK breaches human rights? ah your anti-british.

 

Nice straw man. You based a whole post on it, impressive even for you. Let me put a match to it.

The only person saying US politicians who defend Israel have loyalties other than the US is you, and yes, that is called Anti-Semitism. I notice you don't complain about us defending the UK. The UK, whose imperialist actions got us to where we are to day. The UK whose unscrupulous activities against Ireland lead to a bloody row that has lasted a very long time. The UK, who didn't have the sack to support the state of Israel THEY CREATED.

No, your only complaints are when the US supports a state you oppose. I've got news for you. Israel is America's strongest ally in the middle east. Yes, supporting our allies is looking out for our own national interests. The only person who doesn't get that is you.

 

Your strawman is better.

Are you serious, do you listen to yourself? you sound like one angry guy that throws all the toys out the pram because you can't have it your way.

Antisemitism is overused that is a fact, why? Almost anything is antisemitism - Even questioning whether war crimes happened, and like Goldstone found your anti-semetic when you find warcrimes, that's not anti-semitism, your version of it maybe.

Anti-semtism to me is hating Jews for being a Jew, same as hating blacks for being black, IE irrational hatred for Jews for being a Jew.

Politicians don't need to go around signing agreements of loyalty to Israel nor be vetted by pro-Israeli groups to make sure that they support Israel nor any other country, the primary purpose of a US Politician is loyalty to American and the constitution (not Israel), sure they can support Israel too but that should not be primary and furthermore; definitely not a factor as to whether they are appointed or not.

Why do you think the primary function of a US politician is to be Israel's bitch? and even argue the point?

Furthermore support should be just that support, not covering war crimes up.

And not covering up these things is not Anti-Semitic

I'm not interested in what the UK does, I live here I don't wave a flag for it, so if you want to criticize bad actions or calls of the UK government that's fine (I do) but remember your being Anti-British.

And I doubt the UK is asking on mass all US politicians to sign agreements of loyalty to the UK, or is vetting your politicians to see if the are pro-british enough.

I don't complain that's you.

You complain countries arm Hamas yet that's no different to the US arming Israel, the UK does this too, that's the point I've made to you before.

I don't want you to stop waving your Israeli flag (your welcome to).

I get it perfectly, but there are boundaries and legitimate criticisms of the support offered.

Personally I find that any ally that attacks another ally to prompt that ally to go to war is using you like a bitch.

Funding Israel to the extent the USA does is wasting your tax dollars to the tune of 7 million a day, an ally such as Israel does not need such support financially at least, there are better ways.

And lastly having an ally does not stop one from telling them are wrong, Obama said settlements need to stop (that's right), that's not antisemitism.

Wise quote:

"The United States' support for Israel need not be - nor should it be - an either-or proposition that dictates our relationships with our Arab allies and friends. The U.S. has a long and special relationship with Israel, but it must not come at the expense of our Arab relationships," Hagel said.

 

Were you just going to accuse? or actually spell it out.

never disagreed with that statement, only with your application.

Toothpic, you need to provide quotes for crack head ramblings. From what I can tell, not one of your existing links had US politicians "Signing Agreements of loyalty" to Israel. Perhaps you can cut and paste the specific line you read which lead you to that conclusion, along with the source? I won't hold my breath. Do you just make this shit up? And to what is called vetting by your article, all of our candidates are also vetted by the KKK, Code Pink, Hamas, and the Communist party.

Link please. Dude... put down the crack pipe. Next you'll be saying I argue for the rights of the gay baby whales.

Now there is a HUGE surprise.

Reading comprehension issues. I was pointing out you complain about the faults of no other nation, especially not the group of terrorists you support.

Source? It seems you and yours are the ones posting all the complaint threads on this very forum. You'll have difficulty finding even one started by me. In fairness to your comment, I do in fact complain when people provide criminals weapons, while I don't complain when the police get new guns. I think you can see where I am going with that.

LoL. So funny watching you try and use incendiary language in an effort to stir up Anti-Israel sentiment amongst Americans. Perhaps they did try to stick us up the ass once, but it appears we informed them we pitch, not catch. Then I step back, compare Palestine to the US, and it seems pretty apparent who is actually Israel's bitch. Funnier still is the fact that your people are constantly reminded of ways to make the ass reaming stop, yet they never listen. I'm starting to think they enjoy it.

Its cheaper than dropping bombs on Palestine ourselves.

Obama is not the first president with that advice. Obama also had some pretty strong words for Hamas and the Palestinians. I don't suppose you heard them.

That is code speak for, "Be prepared to be bombed by Israel". I'm sure you don't see the connection there either.

 

I already stated earlier the source for this.

I don't support terrorists that is you. Your projecting your shortcomings on to other people.

You support Israel by your own admission they have committed war crimes, ethnic cleansing and attacks against your country such as USS Liberty.

I told you Hamas is the government of Palestine, and the reasons they attack Israel is because of the above - Yes their actions are terrorist in nature because they target civilians as does Israel - If it was just military targets then I don't see a problem.

Lmao you was complaining in the Gaza humanitarian aid thread about this, saying they should not be allowed aid as it may contain bombs.

You don't complain about Israel being given weapons IE a war criminal - So this is not true.

You mean they did stick it up your ass? not tried? and constantly use spying against the US are you sure they only tried to stick it up your ass once?

Then you'll understand why they celebrate attacks like 9/11.

 

Ahh, an honest admission. Thank you. To the rest of your post, I see you could not fulfill even one of my MANY requests of quoted sources. With that kind of reasoning, I'm sure you know my response.

Oooga Booga.

 

I'm going to spell this out for the ignorant.

a. The US has a pro-israel stance.
b. Israel is the best US ally in the ME.
c. To be an appointee you must be able to go with the official US stance. Else, we would never have official policy.
d. Hence, you must have a pro-israel stance to be appointed by Obama and confirmed by the senate. I'll even give you a math equation for this.

a+b+c=d

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EXACTLY: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

What does that mean?

• No loyalty to other countries (that does not exclude Israel)
• Defend the Constitution and the laws of the United States (again, I do not see the word Israel here)
• Serve in the U.S. military when needed (but no wars for Israel for crying out loud)
• Serve the Nation (I am sure they meant the American Nation here - not the Israeli nation)
• Be loyal to the United States (again, they didn't mean "to Israel")

 

So when Iraq invaded Kuwait and we sent troops over there, were we there to "Serve Kuwait"? How about in Bosnia? Get real. In almost every foreign conflict, the US has self interest, or perceived self interest in mind. So does every other nation. If you cant figure out the self interest angle for supporting Israel, you need glasses.

 

Actually I wear glasses and that is why I can clearly see that supporting war crimes, genocide, apartheid and basic human rights injustice is wrong.
The only support the Israeli pseudo democracy gets is from the the members of the traitorous U.S. Congress which is on a payroll of such terrorist organizations as AIPAC.

But than, who am I to argue those points when the entire world has spoken against the Terrorist State of Israel:

• Resolution 106: - condemns Israel for Gaza raid.
• Resolution 111: - condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people.
• Resolution 127: - recommends Israel suspends it's no-man's zone in Jerusalem.
• Resolution 162: - urges Israel to comply with UN decisions.
• Resolution 171: - determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria.
• Resolution 228: - censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control.
• Resolution 237: - urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.
• Resolution 248: - condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.
• Resolution 250: - calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.
• Resolution 251: - deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250.
• Resolution 252: - declares invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital.
• Resolution 256: - condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation.
• Resolution 259: - deplores Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.
• Resolution 262: - condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport.
• Resolution 265: - condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan.
• Resolution 267: - censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem.
• Resolution 270: - condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon.
• Resolution 271: - condemns Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem.
• Resolution 279: - demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.
• Resolution 280: - condemns Israeli's attacks against Lebanon.
• Resolution 285: - demands immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon.
• Resolution 298: - deplores Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem.
• Resolution 313: - demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.
• Resolution 316: - condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.
• Resolution 317: - deplores Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon.
• Resolution 332: - condemns Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.
• Resolution 337: - condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.
• Resolution 347: - condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon.
• Resolution 425: - calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
• Resolution 427: - calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
• Resolution 444: - deplores Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces.
• Resolution 446: - determines that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
• Resolution 450: - calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.
• Resolution 452: - calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.
• Resolution 465: - deplores Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program.
• Resolution 467: - strongly deplores Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.
• Resolution 468: - calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return.
• Resolution 469: - strongly deplores Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians.
• Resolution 471: - expresses deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
• Resolution 476: - reiterates that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are null and void.
• Resolution 478: - censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its Basic Law.
• Resolution 484: - declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors.
• Resolution 487: - strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility.
• Resolution 497: - decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is null and void and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith.
• Resolution 498: - calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.
• Resolution 501: - calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.
• Resolution 509: - demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon.
• Resolution 515: - demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in.
• Resolution 517: - censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
• Resolution 518: - demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.
• Resolution 520: - condemns Israel's attack into West Beirut.
• Resolution 573: - condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.
• Resolution 587: - takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw.
• Resolution 592: - strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.
• Resolution 605: - strongly deplores Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians.
• Resolution 607: - calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
• Resolution 608: - deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians.
• Resolution 636: - deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
• Resolution 641: - deplores Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
• Resolution 672: - condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
• Resolution 673: - deplores Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.
• Resolution 681: - deplores Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
• Resolution 694: - deplores Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
• Resolution 726: - strongly condemns Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
• Resolution 799: - strongly condemns Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for there immediate return.
• UNGA Res 50/21 – The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 12, 1995)
• UNGA Res 50/22 – The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 12, 1995)
• UNGA Res 49/35 – Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995) l
• UNGA Res 49/36 – Human Rights of Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995)
• UNGA Res 49/62 – Question of Palestine (Feb 3 1995)
• UNGA Res 49/78 – Nuclear Proliferation in Mideast (Jan 11 1995)
• UNGA Res 49/87 – Situation in the Middle East (Feb 7 1995)
• UNGA Res 49/88 – The Middle East Peace Process (Feb 7 1995)
• UNGA Res 49/149 - Palestinian Right- Self-Determination (Feb 7 1995)
• UNGA Res 48/213 – Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Mar 15, 1994)
• UNGA Res 48/40 – UNRWA for Palestinian Refugees (Dec 13, 1993)
• UNGA Res 48/41 – Human Rights in the Territories (Dec 10 1993)
• UNGA Res 48/58 – The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 14 1993)
• UNGA Res 48/59 – The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 14 1993)
• UNGA Res 48/71 – Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone in Mideast (Dec 16 1993)
• UNGA Res 48/78 – Israeli Nuclear Armanent (Dec 16 1993)
• UNGA Res 48/94 – Self-Determination & Independence (Dec 20 1993)
• UNGA Res 48/124 - Non-interference in Elections (Dec 20 1993)
• UNGA Res 48/158 - Question of Palestine (Dec 20 1993)
• UNGA Res 48/212 - Repercussions of Israeli Settlements (Dec 21 1993)

Just do me a favor and let's not throw anti-semitism into this debate since actually - I am not. Anti Israeli however? FOR SURE!!!

 

Did I use the word antisemitism? Did I hint at the idea of antisemitism? I said we support our interests abroad, and your citation of the UN resolutions against Israel while they completely ignore other real atrocities being committed worldwide (Congo, Rwanda, Palestinians, Iranians) indicates to me you may need to get your glasses checked.

 

Politically and morally I've always been Anti-Israeli. Does that make me an anti-semite? To Israeli supporters and propagandists, I am sure that would be the case. To my friends, and a good majority of them happen to be Jewish, I am not. Most people understand that political views have nothing to do with it.

 

So how do you feel about Palestinians? Hamas? The PLO? Hezbollah? Al Queda? HuToos? Tutsies? Serbs? Checs? Bosnians? Christians? Are there any other groups of people that you are Anti? Or is it just Israel?

 

No. You can add Israel to the above mentioned groups.