I usually don't like that niche, but i am making a site right now to test whether i can rank for some weight-loss keywords. What vendor on CB would you recommend? 4idiots? Fat burning furnace? I dont want vendors screwing over affiliates with opt-ins and emails...so i wonder what experiences you guys have in the weight-loss niche and clickbank and which one you recommend. G.
little off-topic but I heard the guy that owns Fat Loss 4 Idiots made 21 mil last year off that one ebook. That's ridiculous for one product. Anyway, I would assume it converts rather well to sell that much.
For me its top secret fat loss secret, as the target audiences are women they get easily influenced by Dr. Suzanne Gudakunst. I know a vendor here at dp named as zibblu. You can find him here http://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=96586 He do have one fat loss product. As far as ranking for weight loss keywords is concern, I will never recommend it. People like you can easily invest your time to find more profitable and low competition niches, so its just waste of precious time.
Robert, i ranked some other sites already all the way up in Google...I found SOME weightloss keywords which dont look too bad! I was getting a little tired of the smaller niches, so this is more like an experiment whether i can do it. According to my KW research its worth a shot. Otherwise i know it wont be easy. Yes it has way more search volume than some other niches i am in and more competition...but that's the challenge..it MIGHT be doable with the right keywords.
he has no affiliate material whatsoever, i had to signup to some stupid list also. (like i am not on enough lists already) Not a very good impression for me as a potential affiliate.
yes...bu this doesnt mean anything. I really need to know whether some vendors "screw" over their affs with forced email sign-ups and special offers bypassing their affiliate. Whether the vendor makes millions doesnt mean squad...i need to know how good a vendor is FOR affiliates, how "clean" the vendor is.
@GeorgR I am not only talking about the web competition but also the general competition. A normal fat person get bombered by 100s of ADs daily by various medias like TV, Radio, Hoardings, Web. So basically these people have a guard set against of any advertisement on this topic. So it becomes very difficult to sale any ebook or a membership. If you are focusing on CPA offers then its worth of time. Rest, you are pretty experienced person and I don't see any chances of your failing. Best luck!
Yeah I know what you mean. I was just assuming that if someone is that successful with their ebook and most of the sales are from affiliates that the vendor does take care of them or he never would have gotten that successful because he'd be losing affiliates. You just have to figure the amount of sales generated to make that much would never have happened without affiliates and most people won't work for a vendor if they are shady. Also the conversions gotta be good too which as you know is important.
It doesn't necessarily follow. Some vendors have a few "superaffiliates" and almost nobody else. There can be a small number of professional affiliates making the sales and they may be the type of affiliate who requires no vendor contact/support at all. To be honest, I barely look at affiliate pages and am not really very interested in what vendors have to offer affiliates. I don't always contact the vendor at all, as an affiliate. (Other than as is involved in getting a copy of the product, obviously. But he doesn't know who I am when I start selling it, because I don't use my real name as my Clickbank afiliate ID.) There are products for which I've made hundreds of sales and barely know who the vendor is and he doesn't know who I am at all, because affiliate anonymity is one of the facilities offered by Clickbank and he has no way of knowing or finding out who I am if I choose not to contact him: that's just how Clickbank works. I have my own ways of promoting products and may well not be interested in anything offered/supplied by the vendor (and I don't particularly like "opting in" to things, either). This really doesn't follow at all: some products have only about 5% of the sales referred by affiliates and are marketed primarily by the vendor. The % of sales of each product which are made by affiliates rather than by the vendor is listed in the marketplace for every product, so it's easy to see. In my opinion, many affiliates do promote products of shady vendors, but they don't know that the vendor is shady. (How can they tell?) Sorry, but this point is really most mistaken: there's no way of knowing the conversion-rate. There's no correlation between conversion-rates and gravities, and there's no correlation between conversion-rates and popularity either. Clickbank, unlike one or two affiliate networks, chooses not to publish conversion-rates, and this information is simply unavailable.
You know if a vendor is shady if you deal with him yourself. While you may try to remain anonymous when promoting products, not everyone does and usually a bad name will follow you around if others start feeling that you're doing things unethical. As far as the conversion rates go, I know there's no way to know the exact conversion rate but the point that I was making is that to sell such a high volume of an ebook, the conversion has to be decent or else he never would have made that much money off of it. Whether most of the affiliates are super affiliates or not, if you're sending someone a shitload of traffic and you're getting bad conversion rates, you will stop promoting that product and promote something else. There's 2938569 weight loss ebooks out there that can be promoted so there has to be some correlation with Fat Loss 4 Idiots being as popular as it is and why it sold so much compared to all the others. Obviously I know that each product is different and nothing is set in stone but you can get a good idea if a product is worth promoting or not by how many people are making money with it.
You may know, if you deal with him yourself. You don't know how he deals with other people. And it depends on the context within which you deal with him. If you approach him as a potential affiliate, he sees you as a prospective business associate, so he's unlikely to let you see it, if he's shady, isn't he? 1. If you're anonymous, a bad name can't follow you around, by definition. (That would be like "giving your right arm to be ambidextrous": it's a contradiction in terms!). 2. There's absolutely nothing even remotely "unethical" about being anonymous. Clickbank is specifically designed for affiliate anonymity. There isn't even a way to get the approximate conversion-rate. There literally isn't a way to tell from the information Clickbank publishes whether the conversion-rate is 2.5% or 0.1%. Many people imagine that there is, and many people are wrong. "Such" a high volume as "how many"?! You don't know the volume: it isn't published. You can't work out the number of sales from the gravity. There's no correlation. You will indeed, and if it's a high gravity product (as is often the case) your place will be taken twice over by other affiliates trying it out because they were gullible enough to be attracted by the high gravity. High gravities attract ill-informed affiliates, and affiliates maintain and sustain a high gravity for a product even if its conversion-rate is crap. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It gives absolutely no indication of the conversion-rate or sales numbers at all. You could, in theory, if only it were possible somehow to know how many people are making money with it!!
4idiots has much higher conversions than all the other weight loss products in clickbank and everyone with 300 - 500+ sales should already know that. The niche is huge.. :| I've personally made quite some money ranking articles based on long tail keywords... such as fat loss 4 idiots review/reviews, scam, diet ... and so on .. Al.
I wasn't referring to you being unethical Alexa because you remain anonymous, I meant if a vendor himself is unethical it will follow him around. I guess I should have worded it differently but yeah I didn't mean you personally.
I'm of the view that top secret fat loss secret product converts well if the visitors are female and whereas FatLoss4Idiots for men. 9lbs in 11 days seems to be interesting.
as for now i am going with Cheat Your Way Thin since some people recommended him, and the sales page looks fine, even if he has no affiliate material and i had to sign up t that '*&%!" list. I never really liked the 4idiots page, and the FBF site looks weird too, but that's just my opinion. CYWT has a simple, straight-forward CB checkout on the affiliate lander and i know that those kinds *usually* work. No fricking "opt-ins" and popups.
Go with the higher gravity ones like FL4I and Fat burning furnace, they have a proven track record. It is a tough niche, but If you manage to crack it, you'll earn some nice cahs.