Jesus In Islam!

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by moq, Aug 24, 2006.

  1. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    What does Messiah mean?
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Prophet Jesus(PBUM) is a prophet of Islam

    Dr. W. Graham Scroggie of the MOODY BIBLE INSTITUTE, Chicago, one of the most prestigious Christian Evangelical Mission in the world, answering the question — "Is the Bible the Word of God?" (also the title of his book), under the heading: IT IS HUMAN, YET DIVINE. He says on page 17:
    "Yes, the Bible is human, though some, out of zeal which is not according to knowledge, 1 have denied this. Those books2 have passed through the minds of men, are written in the language of men, were penned by the hands of men, and bear in their style the characteristics of men." (Emphasis added).
    Another erudite Christian scholar, Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, says on page 277 of his book, "The Call of the Minaret":

    "Not so the New Testament3 . . . There is condensation and editing; 4 there is choice, reproduction and witness. The Gospels have come through the mind of the Church behind the authors. They represent experience and history." 5
     
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    #25
    Still waiting for your answer ...
     
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    #26
    The whole Resurrection story is indeed a power full story/metaphor to incute hope in the believers. What some people believe (and this includes some christians groups as well as some muslims) is that Jesus didnt die in the cross and/or someone was putted in his place (which would explain the Resurrection). Personally i think that whatever happened is irrelevant and we should focus on the meaning of the message of Christ.

    Also about suicide bombing, its very wrong to think that *ALL* muslims think like this, in fact most muslims in the arab world actually hate bin laden (try travelling to the gulf and ask) , killing Innocent people is not Islam, it is a perversion of islam , all verses that this sick people use to justify their actions are quoted out of context or incompleted. (e.g "Fight the world with the sword...... of wisdom" ,just to illustrate what i mean , not a real verse)
    The Original Message of Islam is a good one, and it made all those pagan and savage divided tribes in arabia, join together under the belief of one God.
    if the devil made a religion, would he make one that turns pagans into God and Jesus Believers?
    And yes there are wrongs things in muslim societies at the world right now, just as tehre were with christianity when they went to holy war or burned anyone with a different belief from the church, the fact is that as time passes by the original message and religion is damaged and perserved until finally there is a need for a new religion. On top of that, humankind does envolve, somethings that made sense for 2000 years ago (or 1400 years for that matter) just dont make sense anymore, a new message is needed, and thats why christ came for the jews, mohamad came for the christians, and so on.

    If you ask me, the Most important thing is to believe in the one true God no matter what religion, and even More important than that is to be a good person, even if you dont believe in God at all. It is no use to believe in God if we dont even have good hearts.
     
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    #27
    Sorry! that too is corrupted!
    It is hard to believe but its true.

    And its also difficult for non-muslims to believe that the word of God The Holy Qur'an has not changed a bit for the last 1400 years when it was send by God!

    The reason for this is that Muslims learn it by Heart and recite all or a part of it almost daily 5 times a day.
     
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    #28
    i mean messiah as in the way it is understoond in christianity, as the promissed one, the Christ
     
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    #29


    100% Agree with you! The problem with people is, they take everything "literally", for them, there is no such thing as "metaphor"...

    and yeah! They are worrying too much about the prophet/son of god/messiah etc... instead of god itself....

    p/s: What is god anyway???? something like in "Bruce Almighty"?? Ohya, knowledge is part of my god as to understand god, I need knowledge. Not to forget I discovered god through Math,Physics,Chemistry,Philosophy etc...My god is great..It is everywhere...
     
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    Yes. It's hard for me to believe, because my bible has been around for longer and was not secretly given to one man over a period of 23 years. It's ironic how the Qur'an mentions things that were already in Judaism and Christianity--both of which were around before Islam was "created."
     
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    #31
    :) Quran is there to confirm/verify the previous law as true, you see..god doesn't change his law...human do...
     
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    #32
    So Judaism is the true bible?

    Because this is what you are saying here ...
     
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    #33
    The Holy Bible and other religious books, which are considered to be the word of GOD, 4 of them are mentioned in the The Holy Quran but one should not forget or should not live in ignorance, to the fact that the books were for their people in a particular geographical region and for a particular time period, but the Holy Quran is for the entire human kind and shall be their to be followed by the believers till eternity.
     
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    #34
    hate to disagree with you on that one, but not really "till eternity" , until the next prophet lays down a new law.
     
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    #35
    The Bible says don't trust men over God.

    Men say the Bible is fallible and can't be trusted.

    So who are we expected to trust? Men.

    So apparently God is all powerful but can't manage to keep his word in tact like he promised in the Bible. So now we have to trust men to tell us what's in the Bible is missing/wrong just like the Bible tells us not to do.

    I'm still waiting for a corrected, infallible version of the Bible from a modern prophet. Joseph Smith tried it once but even the Mormon church knows his "divinely inspired, corrected" version is a joke. Now they just try to tell us it's wrong but nobody can ever manage to point out the wrong parts consistantly.

    And why is that? Probably because what's wrong with the Bible is whatever happens to disagree with the person who's telling you it's wrong.

    So yes, the original poster is correct. If the Bible is full of shit then the Koran just might be the word of God. Unfortunatly he seems to have it backwards.
     
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    #36
    This is what moq wrote:
    The quran is not the original, it was created by inspiration of the Bible and was edited and modified by men.
    The diffrence between them is that one of them is all true (Bible) and the other one (quran) is not all true because it's edited and modified by men ...

    Very simple ....
     
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    #37
    I think God let the Bible be corrupted because he realized what a mistake it was to choose the Jews. This is why he created Islam. Islam was created by God to fix God's mistake. And that is why it is the mission of Islam to whipe out the Jews. They should have never been the chosen people to begin with. If you read the Bible you can see that this is true. It was only by a trick that the birthright was given to the lineage that Christ came from.

    I mean obviously God wants everyone who is not his chosen people dead, right?

    Right?

    *crickets*
     
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  18. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    Great, another anti-semite...just what we need around here :rolleyes:
     
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    #39
    If you're so smart, what's your scapegoat for everything that would otherwise be your own damn fault?
     
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    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    I don't use scapegoats nor do I sit around self-loathing.

    Anything else, big boy?
     
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