.............. chanting calls for the execution of opposition leaders as the country's internal strife turned more bitter. Some wore white funeral shrouds to symbolize a willingness to die in defense of the ruling system. An ominous online threat in the name of a previously unknown group said suicide squads were ready to assassinate the opposition leaders should the judiciary fail to punish them within a week............ http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091230/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran THIS IS WHAT ISLAM IS ABOUT, KILL THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU! This is Islam not just in Iran, but in EVERY MUSLIM COUNTRY - and we see it over and over again. Why people stick with such a religion which is not truly about peace, is not about respecting each others views, it is not about respecting the freedom and the rights of one another, Why??? If killing was the right thing to do against your opponents and barbaric punishment was the right thing to do for sins, why the muslim countries are not better than the non muslims?
does it not speak volumes about islam that the person protesting for democracy and freedom had to conceal his identity? In fact, the concealment of ones identify is so important the protest literature come with cut out eye holes already drawn on it.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei claims the highest religious authority, and is probably the most highly corrupt. For those that want freedom and democracy, they are being called enemies of G-d by islamic clerics loyal to Khamenei, which is punishable by death in Iran. For those that choose to conceal their identity, they do so because islam is used to intimidate, oppress, and control.
what kind of democracy you are talking about ? which licks the ass of west? hamas was democratically elected are you ready to accept that? isn't it ironic that how US is perfectly in bed with all the monarchs and dictators in ME who toe his line and continues to complain about iran .. why ? something that I also posted yesterday http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/dictators.html
The kind of democracy where you can vote, one in which the ballots won't be stolen by a corrupt government and made null and void. The kind of democracy where people can peacefully protest and not be beaten down, raped, and imprisoned. The kind of democracy where religion doesn't rule, but separation between church and state, where there can be true justice. The kind of democracy that I believe many of the people of Iran want, and are dying for.
can you explain why ? If democratic people vote to be ruled by religion why do you have any problem with that ? democracy is after-all the will of people
You do know that this protest began because the Iranian people believe the election was rigged, do you not? You must. Why are you playing games? Just in case, here is an article about it from last summer.
I am not asking about iraninas in particular I am asking about your view of democracy what you said isn't that itself against the spirit of democracy? in democracy you let people to chose what the want
The "people" didn't vote though did they. The men voted and currupt islamists rigged the polls. To claim that what they have is even remotely democratic shows that you either a) don't understand what democracy is or 2) aren't as intrerested in being correct as you are in defending oppressive reigimes.
de⋅moc⋅ra⋅cy   /dɪˈmɒkrəsi/ di-mok-ruh-see] –noun, plural -cies. 1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system. the⋅oc⋅ra⋅cy   /θiˈɒkrəsi/ [thee-ok-ruh-see] –noun, plural -cies. 1. a form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God's or deity's laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities. So what you are asking New, is whether we should like a Democracy that votes itself out of existence to be replaced by a Theocracy? Or in the case of Hamas, a Dictatorship? Now make that Dictatorship or Theocracy one that not only puts down its own people, but also exports terrorism, attacks its neighbors, and destabilizes the region/the planet. Sounds like a wet dream. I'm sure every western nation can get behind that.
why not ? democracy is not some book which has to be followed, it is the will of people, if people chose that Quran becomes their constitution than why do you have any problem with that ? how can you decide that what is 'putting down own people' .. doesn't democracy give that right to the people themselves ? oh .. wait sorry, I forgot .. the only acceptable demoracy is the one which has the seal of approval from west trust me, the last thing you would want (for sake of isreal) is REAL democracy in ME and stop complaining about iran just because it does not toe the line set by usa, why does us support the other more ruthless dictators ?
Cutting off the last part of the quote is bad enough. Converting the comma to a period to suit your needs is just stupid. You think nobody catches that? I'll take your omission of the last part of my post as a) an admission it is correct in application to Iran, Hamas, and Syria, and b) that it is a problem you have no answer to. We have a "real democracy" in the ME. Israel. The mullahs are the supreme authority in Iran, so please don't try and lump it into your ME democracy list. Even the subservient portion of that government that is democratic is dysfunctional, as anyone watching the news over the last couple months can see.
so are you going to answer, what I asked or will you just continue to cry as usual ? democracy is not some book which has to be followed, it is the will of people, if people chose that Quran becomes their constitution than why do you have any problem with that ? how can you decide that what is 'putting down own people' .. doesn't democracy give that right to the people themselves ? I didn't ask you to sing songs of praise of isreal, I already know that your head in buried under their dung why does usa support the other more ruthless dictators who don't even have a dysfunctional democracy ? is US for democracy or only for those who toe its line ?
You have no unanswered questions. Your inability to comprehend the answers is no more my fault than it is when my 2 year old daughter is unable to understand multiplication when I explain it to her. I have no problem with it, but you still don't get that it ceases to be Democracy once a Theocracy is established. ESL? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" Generally speaking, we Americans make decisions about what "putting down" the population means based on some fundamental principals. Just because we've decided you are assholes doesn't mean we are going to do anything about it, until you start shitting on your neighbors or our allies. The principal above applies to those dictatorships we don't interfere with. If we are busily "supporting" such a dictatorship, it often means they have even bigger assholes as neighbors. By supporting them, we keep the feces fight localized without getting dirty. If you haven't figured it out, the US, and most of the civilized world, considers Hamas to be assholes and Palestine to be a shit hole. In consideration of that, we will continue to fund Israel, even if they grow to be assholes in their own right. Of course Israel realizes this, which is one of the reasons you see 700 new homes going up in East Jerusalem. When it is all said and done, the US will go into the toilet paper sales business to recoup our costs, though I think your people may need a shower and a towel.
thanks for admitting that US works only to safeguard own and isreali interests, the mimic of democracy is just a threat to put in line the ones who are not ready to sell their souls to USA so after this day, don't complain about any undemocratic govt
Your pathetic excuse is invalid. There are countless democratic governments besides the US and Israel. Anything on your heart against Hungary?
did you read what obamationation had said ? anyway here is more about the USA love for 'democracy' US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1543798/US-funds-terror-groups-to-sow-chaos-in-Iran.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jundallah from ABC News's 2007 http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/04/abc_news_exclus.html