Questions Muslims don't like to answer

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  1. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #241
    I agree with you.
    Love is the fullfillment of the law.
    Islam has to learn and accept it. Christians have also the obligation to stop evil.
     
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    #242

    God is not just Love. He has other perfect qualities too! Power, Wisdom and Justice. Although these three qualities are predominated by Love, but only in the context of God.

    Regards,

    Col
     
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    #243
    Thank God for the Israelis. They did not "lose" this recent war. They simply blew the Hezbollah off the border because they are NOT going to allow another muslim lunatic like the little Napoleon in Iran to have a bomb. They are waiting, watching, and soon they will be so far up Irans ass Iran won't be able to pick it's nose without picking theirs.

    Oh Happy Day :)
     
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    #244
    Oh, and sunlove... Jesus never once told a soldier to leave the service. Never once.

    You act as if, because you believe that God is Love, then therefore Love must be God.

    You cannot do the reverse equation now can you?
     
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    #245
    My friend. One has to know God before you can even do that equation! :)
     
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    #246
    You got some spirit man. - Great
     
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    #247
    To Cheap SEO: You write: "My friend. One has to know God before you can even do that equation!"

    But if Love is God then God is a thing. How can you have a personal relationship with a thing and still consider yourself sane?

    God is God. You would like to call God Love, and Love God. But, of course, you have already contradicted yourself.
     
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    #248
    Some of you guys are fucking ridiculous. Have you ever read passages from the Old testament or the book of mormon? You know how bloody thirsty it can be? Stop jumping on the nazi bandwagon and form your own independent opinions. Just because some extremists do some awful things does not mean ALL Muslims are like that; this goes for extremist Catholics, Protestants, Jews - Every religion has extremists.
     
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    #249
    Do you know who God is? God is not just some thing. He is a living entity with feelings. You can have a personal relationship with God. The Bible even says he wants us to. Sane? I would think I am perfectly sane and I have just under 7 million friends all over the world from all different cultures , ages and backgrounds that would easily say that about me.

    My friend, there is no contradiction here. However, I would like to discuss your viewpoint about God.

    It's 10.30pm here and I am going to bed. I will look forward to your response tomorrow.

    Regards,

    Col :)
     
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    #250
    BRUM... again, it is you who need to read and open your heart. God made His move in His time. You know nothing of Christianity if you do not understand that God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one.

    I ask you, where is a counterpart to this peace and power of Jesus in the Koran. And please do not tell me Mohammed! He never once said he was God (probably the only true thing to come out of his mouth). Jesus did.

    Now either you believe Jesus was a compete lunatic or that He was God. You can't say that He was a great teacher or prophet because He did not allow you to. He told us flat-out that He was the Messiah, and alpha and the Omega...

    Jesus is THE Christian God, He promises peace. He is God.

    What do you really know about these things?
     
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    #251
    I think you best read this:

    The Truth About the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

    PEOPLE who believe the Trinity teaching say that God consists of three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of these three persons is said to be equal to the others, almighty, and without beginning. According to the Trinity doctrine, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God.

    Many who believe the Trinity admit that they are not able to explain this teaching. Still, they may feel that it is taught in the Bible. It is worth noting that the word “Trinity” never occurs in the Bible. But is the idea of a Trinity found there? To answer this question, let us look at a scripture that supporters often cite to uphold the Trinity.

    “THE WORD WAS GOD”

    John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (King James Version) Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly shows that “the Word” is Jesus. (John 1:14) Since the Word is called God, however, some conclude that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God.

    Bear in mind that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, translators rendered the Greek text into other languages. A number of Bible translators, though, did not use the phrase “the Word was God.” Why not? Based on their knowledge of Biblical Greek, those translators concluded that the phrase “the Word was God” should be translated differently. How? Here are a few examples: “The Logos [Word] was divine.” (A New Translation of the Bible) “The Word was a god.” (The New Testament in an Improved Version) “The Word was with God and shared his nature.” (The Translator’s New Testament) According to these translations, the Word is not God himself. Instead, because of his high position among Jehovah’s creatures, the Word is referred to as “a god.” Here the term “god” means “mighty one.”

    GET MORE FACTS

    Most people do not know Biblical Greek. So how can you know what the apostle John really meant? Think of this example: A schoolteacher explains a subject to his students. Afterward, the students differ on how to understand the explanation. How can the students resolve the matter? They could ask the teacher for more information. No doubt, learning additional facts would help them to understand the subject better. Similarly, to grasp the meaning of John 1:1, you can look in the Gospel of John for more information on Jesus’ position. Learning additional facts on this subject will help you to draw the right conclusion.

    For instance, consider what John further writes in chapter 1, verse 18: “No man has seen [Almighty] God at any time.” However, humans have seen Jesus, the Son, for John says: “The Word [Jesus] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.” (John 1:14, KJ) How, then, could the Son be part of Almighty God? John also states that the Word was “with God.” But how can an individual be with someone and at the same time be that person? Moreover, as recorded at John 17:3, Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and his heavenly Father. He calls his Father “the only true God.” And toward the end of his Gospel, John sums up matters by saying: “These have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God.” (John 20:31) Notice that Jesus is called, not God, but the Son of God. This additional information provided in the Gospel of John shows how John 1:1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is “a god” in the sense that he has a high position but is not the same as Almighty God.

    CONFIRM THE FACTS

    Think again about the example of the schoolteacher and the students. Imagine that some still have doubts, even after listening to the teacher’s additional explanation. What could they do? They could turn to another teacher for further information on the same subject. If the second teacher confirms the explanation of the first one, the doubts of most students may be put to rest. Similarly, if you are not sure what the Bible writer John was really saying about the relationship between Jesus and Almighty God, you could turn to another Bible writer for further information. Consider what was written by Matthew, for example. Regarding the end of this system of things, he quotes Jesus as saying: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

    Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

    As you continue your Bible studies, you will become familiar with many more Bible passages that have a bearing on this subject. They confirm the truth about the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.—Psalm 90:2; Acts 7:55; Colossians 1:15.
     
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    #252
    Dead Corn, I don't give a shit whether he is god or not. The fact is, and the point you missed, was that the old testament and many many other religious texts are JUST as hateful and violent as anti-muslims say the Koran is. I am an Atheist I'd like to add. What do I know about these things? I know I'm not narrow minded and blinded by religious brainwashing like you are. I'd also like to say "I, a Muslim" Is the most bias "documentary" I've ever seen, it's total bullshit.
     
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    #253
    But you do know that atheists are almost as bad as terrorists. Atheists create a vaccuum that is filled with something else, terror for example.
     
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    How fucking dare you compare Atheists to terrorists you sick bastard. Just because I remain impartial and have my own views I'm created myself instead of being bought up on? The Vacuum you speak of is nonsense. When was the last time you saw someone blowing themselves up or Self-Immolishing in the name against ALL religion and faith?
     
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    #255
    You're saying that you're an atheist. So you don't believe in good or bad?
    If not, who or what thaught you about the differences.
    You'd better consider yourself as a bad christian or whatsoever than a good atheist.
    Think twice about the vacuum.

    I'm not saying that atheists are terrorists, but a real atheist is almost as bad as a terrorist, - giving an example. Of course it can show in many different colors and facets, but not for good at the end.

    Is atheism your religion?
     
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    #256
    I'm amazed how narrow minded you are mate. I believe in no God therefore no religion; Atheism. How can it be no good? I call it being realistic. And what's this shit about not believing in good or bad? I think you're confused with what an atheist is, please use wikipedia or google:define. Nihilistic as I may be, I share nothing with terrorists. And I better consider myself a bad christian eh? why's that? If not, what is going to happen eh?
     
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    #257
    Chill out! ;) I didn't mean to step on your toes.
    But we all must give reference to the source we're drawing.
    What's your source?
     
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    #258
    The source of what? What an atheist is? I know what one is, I spend a lot of time researching because I'm interested in politics and philosophy. :)
     
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    #259
    Could you explain.

    I know people like you are hyper sensitive and the run-away is caused by bad experiences.

    God's chasing you. Don't resist when he knocks at your door.
     
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    #260
    Oh dear. Please save your repent attitude for someone else. I've ALWAYS and I really do mean ALWAYS been atheist, there aren't any bad experiences that "caused" my "run-away". I have a very open mind though. So please don't tie me with everyone else by saying "People like you" You wouldn't like it if I stereotyped religion fanatics. I don't understand what to explain, could you explain what you misunderstand?

    Can I just say, I didn't come hear to discuss or argue about religion, damnit it always turns out like this, I came to stand up for the Muslims some nazis here were degrading. I'd do the same if everyone was doing the same to Jewish or Christian beliefs, so please, do not judge me so quick. I had no problems with anyone's Christian views here, I was challenged first. Could we return to the thread's theme please?
     
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