Rules So why is my thread deleted?

Hi, DP staff...

I just saw that the thread I am linking in my signature is gone! Here's Google's cached version of it: http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cach...+angela's+backlink+builder&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk

May be you can call it bumping, but I think it was important to notify about changed rates and service features. And above all, I have replied to my thread once only, with a valid reason as said above.

So, who's angry at me???

 

forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1629174

Read this thread!

 

Wow! Thanks for pointing out that thread.

So, here's a quick fix: I won't provide account details to my clients. They will only get the report containing only pages where backlinks are existing.
OK?

 

That puts article directory submission services and many other services into banned region then!

 

Yes, it means other social media services like social bookmarking are banned. It has absolutely nothing to do with directory submissions, as that doesn't include social bookmarketing-related services, nor does it mean account ownerships are changing hands.

 

Account ownership are changing hands in "Article directory submission" services. Buyers get email address using which registrations were done at various article directories, and from there buyers can get account details too by reading welcome emails.

Also, Angela and other similar type of backlinking methods has nothing to do with social bookmarking sites. In fact, such method includes profile creation at various community sites and putting backlinks into them. Community sites do include forums too.

As I said, I won't provide login info to my buyers from now on, nor I will share the used email address. How it will be then the case of accounts selling?

P.S. I personally would like to see Blackhat ebooks being banned in DP.

Thank you for your replies...

 

If you see one that definitely includes account transfers with the sale, then report it.

Most of those "community sites" are social media sites. And I wasn't saying it was social bookmarking. I was saying yes, the thread you questioned (that was linked by another member) does in fact mean things like social bookmarking services are banned in addition to anything with accounts changing hands.

Using the example you gave, it still wouldn't be allowed. Creating forum profiles for the purpose of leaving links is spam, and no services that we'd deem spam are allowed here either.

Regardless, you're setting up social media profiles (calling them 'communities' doesn't change that) and you're selling links on those third party sites that you do not own or control. That's why social bookmarking and similar services are not allowed. So these aren't allowed either. They cross several different lines with various rules.

 

If they allowed you to do that, it would be promoting spam. I personally hate when people sign up to my forums, and just leave a homepage url and never come back. The urls are normally spammy as while. I ban them all. So really whats the point.

Keep that junk off DP!

 

Really?
Then why this thread is being advertised on the signature link of a mod ?

 

Can't say why it was in their sig since it wasn't their thread, but the thread has been deleted.

 

Blackhat methods -> Allowed.

So called "spam" -> not allowed.

I wonder why DP is interested in promoting blackhat methods (via such ebooks etc.)...

Anyway, wish you all a happy new year. I hope this year we would see new mods and hence won't need to screw BST section anymore...

 

Spam is legally regulated and it's very obvious. "Black hat" isn't a concern (unless it crosses a line into spam) because that's nothing but a search engine's determination of what's right or wrong. Very big difference. DP doesn't promote black hat methods as you say. But there is absolutely no reason why DP should fall in line with search engines, only allowing products and services that they approve of. We let individual webmasters decide what they want to pursue when it comes to search engine rankings. When black hat in general becomes illegal (not going to happen), then it would likely be banned here. If black hat methods are individually crossing those lines, then they're generally already covered here as far as the rules go.

 

For the bold part: Link building is directly related to SEO, hence you should not ban anything related to link building, let the buyers decide what they want.

Again, creating backlinks on profile pages is not interfering with users' surfing experience, unlike blog commenting/forum posting spam. No one else than Seach Engine bots are going to surf those profile pages. Above all, community sites/forums themselves provide facility to create backlinks. If they don't want to let someone create backlinks, they would just disable that feature or they would turn the backlinks into NoFollow ones (I hope you know what is NoFollow).

Moreover, blackhat isn't just related to SEO. You are just considering what is called as "Blackhat SEO", a tiny branch of whole blackhat world.

Also, how would you evaluate ebook's contents? Suppose I report an ebook (after reading it of course) that is promoting banned stuff, what should I provide as a proof? I think mods will need a copy of ebook itself, right?

At this point I am not talking about only my thread. I am talking about the screwed interpretation of rules. Rules are great, but the interpretation of them is wrong this time. When even a good mod had been lost in it, you know how badly things are screwed.

 

Creating profiles for the sole purpose of adding a link is spam any way you cut it. Some types of link-building involve spam. Others do not. We choose to ban specific types that we consider spam here, and that includes the kind of services that were being discussed here.

 

Rubbish. This is spam pure and simple. As a forum owner I spend so much of my time deleting and banning the profile spammers. I and a lot of other forum owners have started reporting these sites that profile spam to Google via the spam report tool mentioning that they using profile spam to link build.

Google have a blog post warning against doing this! So assume that google will or has a scalable method of detecting sites that do this and will negate the effects of these backlinks or penalize sites that link build this way.

People who just join to create backlinks on profiles need to be removed from the gene pool as society can not afford to have these people breeding. There are already too many of these sorts of low lifes.

 

Which part of my post you think is rubbish? It's funny how you quote a post and don't comment on it at all.

As any one can see, it's ONLY you, the forum owner, that is pissed. Also, a wise forum admin would not allow signature links/any other way of backlinking to newbies (provided that the admin is so pissed at all).

It's great to hear that some people like you report the sites. In fact, I can see now more order flooding at me. A 15th ranking site owner would like to give out 14 orders of profile building, each for the sites that rank above 15th. That way, he will enjoy his competitors getting punished by Google. Thanks!

And I wish people who don't have any manners should not bother participating in open discussions.

 

The bit that is rubbish is your claim that what you are doing is not spam -- its spam. Google even called it spam in a blog post.

The sooner all forum owners make sig links and profile links nofollow the better. Then maybe the bottom dwellers like you who think forum spamming is a legitimate way to link build will finally get it.

People like you who advocate spamming forums do not deserve to be treated with manners. You deserve to be treated with contempt.

 

If you call registering on forum/site and leaving links in own forum/site profile a spam, you have no idea of what is spam. Go ask your forum members if they were affected in anyway by so called spam. (UPDATE: I just saw your posts here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1632285. Now I just hope you know what's the difference between Xrumer spamming and profile-linkbuilding).

I do not bother if profile-link building is a legitimate way to climb SERPs or not. The ones who bother are the buyers. I do not force anyone to believe that they must do it for SEO. I am just giving what they want. I build profiles-backlinks for those who pay me, period.

Again, it will be great for link builders like me when Google actually punishes sites involved in "so called spam". More orders for sure.

Please do yourself a favor, and turn all dofollow links into nofollow ones in your forum.

 

Whether or not something constitutes spam has nothing to do with how many people are affected. If you spam one person via PM here, it's still spam. If you spam one person via email, it's still spam. If you spam one person who owns a forum or manages a community, it's still spam. You may not use DP to advertise services and products that spam anyone, regardless of how many victims there are. And that's really all there is to it.