Found a good keyword

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Entherman, Dec 28, 2009.

  1. #1
    Hello folks,
    I need a piece of advice now.

    Since English is not my native language, I feel this is going to be difficult for me to express myself, so I will use a metaphor for the keyword, since I don't really want to share my keyword with the world, lets say my keyword is "bananaZ"
    So I went to google keywords tool, and did a lookup for "bananaz". Google tells me, the keyword is searched more than 5 million times a month.
    "bananaz republic" is searched about 10'000 times, and other variations with "bananaz" vary from 0 to 50'000 searches/month. (but "bananaz" alone gets more than 5mil).

    Now I did a search for bananaz myself, and the top results:
    bananaz.co.uk
    bananaz.com
    somesite.com/stuff/stuff/ | description: "....bananaz are good...."
    and in the second page I found bananaz.net too.

    So as far as I understand, everybody who has a bananaz domain, are very very weak or no SEO at all. There are no articles at all about bananaz! The internet is empty of bananaz!

    Now I want to make a blog about bananaz, I have someone, who is an expert in bananaz and is willing to write blog articles for this topic.

    So, should I start a blog on bananaz ? If I should, what should I choose for a domain ? bananaz.me ? bananazinfo.com or bananaz.info , or bananaz-republic.com or bananaz-blog.com or about-bananaz.com ?
    And what could be the traffic for my bananaz site ? I actually am aiming for the #1 position on google, I want to know what do you think - can I achieve that ?

    Thanks for your replies in advance :)
     
    Entherman, Dec 28, 2009 IP
  2. Canonical

    Canonical Well-Known Member

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    #2
    When you were using the Google external adword keyword tool to do your free keyword analysis, did you change the Match Type dropdown in the top right side of the page to EXACT? You'll likely get drastically different (but MUCH more accurate results). If you left it on BROAD then they are saying that there were 5 Million searches for phrases that could be broadly matched to BananaZ (i.e. 5 million searches w/ Bananaz somewhere in the search phrase). You'll need to set it to EXACT to get a good feel for the exact phrases being searched for and how often they are searched for.

    If you want to gauge your competition for the keyword phrase "my keyword phrase" then do searches for:

    intitle:"my keyword phrase"
    inurl:"my keyword phrase"
    intitle:"my keyword phrase" inurl:"my keyword phrase"

    and not the number of results... The above searches show you the number of pages indexed with 1) the exact phrase "my keyword phrase" in the title, 2)the exact phrase "my keyword phrase" in the URL, and 3) the exact phrase "my keyword phrase" in both the title and URL. These are the sites/page that are REALLY trying to rank for "my keyword phrase". These are your "real" competitors.

    If you find keyword phrases w/ less than 100 pages returned for intitle, inurl, and both then you can likely rank on page 1 or 2 with simply on-page optimization and internal links...

    If you find keyword phrases w/ less than 500 pages returned for intitle, inurl, and both then you can likely rank on page 1 or 2 with simply on-page optimization, internal links, and some high quality links or a medium number of "cheap" links like article submission, forum sigs, blog commenting, etc.

    You also need to think about how you plan to monetize it. Simply ranking at the top of Google doesn't do you any good if you cannot convert that traffic to $$$. Lots of keyword phrases get LOTS of traffic but do not convert well because people are early in the conversion cycles (like maybe gathering information for a purchase they are going to make weeks or months from now... or using a mortgage calculator to figure out how much house they can afford even though they haven't even begun to look for a house.)
     
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  3. stuart.letterman

    stuart.letterman Guest

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    Canonical, I've learned something new from your post thanks for the input :D

    Keep it up...
     
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  4. amosgoh

    amosgoh Peon

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    I don't use the method canonical has mention because our true competitors are those ranking on the first page of google.. Instead I will just analyse the backlink profile of the top 10 sites and see if I can obtain more links then them.. When I say more links, I meant links with the anchored text of bananaz and related keywords
     
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  5. Traffic-Bug

    Traffic-Bug Active Member

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    #5
    Canonical has provided the means to do keyword research/competition research using intitle, inurl, etc. That is a good method. But as amosgoh has said, it is also good to copy the tactics of the first ten or so competitors, where they are getting backlinks from, etc. etc.
     
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  6. vlad621

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    It may be that there are no competing websites for your keyword, because there is no way to make money with that keyword. There are lots of keywords that have high search volume, but are extremely difficult to monetize
     
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  7. Entherman

    Entherman Peon

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    #7
    Checking the backlinks made this weird.

    Results are weird:

    #1 bananaz.com.au - 600 links
    #2 bananaz.local (a local domain, ok, I get it, google searches local stuff for me too.... ) - 70 links
    #5 bananazrepublic.com - 17'000 links
    #6 TheBananazStuff.com - 300 links
    #10 subdomain.bananaz.com - Backlink checkers don't support subdomains ?
    #15 bananaz.net - 5 backlinks

    Now this looks very weird to me....
     
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  8. amosgoh

    amosgoh Peon

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    Now u need to determine The geographic location of the bulk of the traffic and if most of the traffic comes from US, purchase a domain with your keyword in it.. For example keywordguide.com

    Stick to org,com,net or co.uk
    domain extension because this is what google prefer in my opinion..

    The number of links doesn't mean anything if it comes from a few ip address.. A
    blogroll exchange with a large site can easily get u a few thousand links which can easily be beaten by 100 links from 100 different ip address or domains..
     
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  9. amosgoh

    amosgoh Peon

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    Forget to add that if the bulk of your traffic is non US based, it would be better to get the local domain extension
     
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  10. Entherman

    Entherman Peon

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    #10
    Traffic is international.

    Does it matter (from the opinion of SEO) where the server is ?
    I mean,
    will google.us put my site lower than google.co.uk if the server is in London, but the domain is bananazblog.com ?
     
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  11. lycos

    lycos Well-Known Member

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    #11
    Best is get a domain either a .com .net or .org with your choice of keyword related to the niche. If you go by the rule of adding content and updating it regularly and at the same time working on backlinks, your site should achieve decent ranking in no time. Aiming for top spot means maintaining doing this for long period of time.
     
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  12. sydzapp

    sydzapp Well-Known Member

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    #12
    Yes it does.
    A U.S. server will help you rank better on the US datacenter of Google than the U.K. datacenter. i.e. you have a high probability of ranking better on Google.com than Google.co.uk.
    Geographic location does matter but not too much. Even the domain extension would matter for you placement on the SERPs.
    I believe bananaz.info would be the best buy considering it is available. However since you have said that the number of searches is 5 Million, i would say just after you have finished reading my post go ahead and buy it.
    The .info hardly even costs a dollar.
    However this is the biggest drawback of this extension. Since the price is too low, it is somewhat considered as a spammy domain extension and i believe it doesn't rank too well as compared to the other major TLDs.

    Another tip i would like to give you is :
    Also register bananaz.co.cc and all such free domains and do a little SEO for them and place a 301 redirect to your main targeted domain.
    This would help quite a lot.

    Since you say bananaz.net hasn't been optimized or cared for, place an offer to the owners of bananaz.com/net/org, etc.. and see if anything goes through. Act like 'you don't need it so bad but it would be great if you could get it'. Fortunately if you get any of those at a good rate, it would be good enough for you to establish nice site.
    Good Luck :)
     
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  13. Entherman

    Entherman Peon

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    #13
    Adding 1 blog post a day ( only in the bananaz niche ) in bananazarticles.com or bananazblog.com, and building 25 links/day in in different fruit blogs would get me to the top of keyword "bananaz" on google in how long period ? Half year ? Year ?

    sydzapp - Can I buy bananaz.info , if the bananaz is a trademarked name ?
     
    Entherman, Dec 29, 2009 IP
  14. sydzapp

    sydzapp Well-Known Member

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    To be honest, i'm just not sure.
    1 thing you should consider is the domain/website age of your competitors. That is the BIGGEST factor that plays a role in ranking, trust me on this one.
    However with bananaz.info and some good backlink building, you would rank probably within a year or maybe even a month in the top 10 IFF the Google sandbox didn't exist.
    Since it exists, if you get sandboxed which is quite probable with a .info domain, you will have to wait for sometime to get ranked.


    I'm not too sure about that. You may want to ask it in the Legal Issues Forum of DP or just wait for it to be answered here.
     
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  15. Entherman

    Entherman Peon

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    Just looked up. bananaz.info is taken, only free domain is bananaz.im. Is it worth trying on banaz.im ?
     
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  16. Izonedig

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    #16
    I have a question, friends,

    If there is 5 million searches a month for one keyword, and you are in the first page for that search (10 first results), do you will get 500k traffic a month ? That's possible ? Or maybe 5%, 1% ? or even less ?

    Let me know about this :)
     
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  17. Entherman

    Entherman Peon

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    Can you guys help me on the domain ?
    I am going to write articles about products, which are offered by "bananaz". So the content is going to be highly related to bananaz. I think I am going to be setting it up on Wordpress (since I think wordpress is the easiest and best for SEO, as far as it comes to a CMS system... ).
    So, what domain would give me the best results ?
    bananazblog.com ?
    bananazinfo.com ?
    bananaztypes.com ?
    Open for all suggestions...
     
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  18. selectsplat

    selectsplat Well-Known Member

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    #18
    Using Google's keyword tool, set to 'exact', Which of those phrases have the most searches and least competition?

    "bananaz blog"
    "bananaz info"
    "bananaz types"

    That's how to decide that.
     
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  19. Entherman

    Entherman Peon

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    bananaz types has no sites with "bananaz" in domain when searched, and has 110'000 broad searches /mo and 6000 exact searches.
    The competitor for "types" is HappyTypes.com, with "bananaz types" in title at happytypes.com/types/bananaz/somepage.html, PR2, and 4000 backlinks.

    What are my odds to getting traffic ? How big could the traffic be ?
     
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  20. selectsplat

    selectsplat Well-Known Member

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    It sounds like a very good keyphrase.

    It shouldn't be difficult to crack the first page, and probably even the top 3 with some effort. With that many searches, and that little competition, I'd say that it would be reasonable to expect perhaps as much as 100 unique visitors per day.
     
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