What do atheists and Christians think of this quote?

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  1. Dysturbed

    Dysturbed Peon

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    #21
    Actually, most Christian sects such as Catholicism do teach that Jesis is both the son of God and God, in the Holy Trinity. It's the belief that there are three persons in one God. Of course, that idea probably developed while one pastor was smoking some weed outside of the Church, but that isn't the point. The point is that you cannot discredit somebody for believing that Jesus is God, for it is a widely accepted clause of this belief, and believing that he is God doesn't necessarily mean that that person doesn't believe he also isn't the son of God as well.
     
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  2. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #22
    How can Jesus be god, when it very apparent that Barack Hussein Obama is, in fact, God. I've already started writing the holy scriptures about him and hope to have them Canonized for future generations of Adherents known as Obamaniacs. With luck, my people will purge this planet of the evil Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Atheists.
     
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  3. JamesColin

    JamesColin Prominent Member

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    #23
    Aren't we all God since we are His creatures?
     
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    mgs Active Member

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    #24
    This is really funny, no offense .

    Hmm, God has a son , God who created the universe, the starts, dinosaurs, the oceans, and who knows what other creatures have been in earth or elsewhere before or after us. So how can it be God has a human son ? Do you think that God need a son or a wife ? like us ?

    Don't get me wrong I do respect all religions and respect others beliefs, in the end everyone is free to go with his choice. I just want someone to convince me here, lets use our brain ! for me I do certainly believe that there is God, ONE God, that don't need or have a family of any kind, a God who created all this perfect system, it's just in the bottom of our hearts, every one feel that there is a God, even the Atheists or others that claims there is no God they are just pretending or ignoring the truth in that moment... once one of them face a deadly cancer or the moment of his death or any situation where he is really weak and no buddy there for him to help, the only thing he can think about is a God that will save or take him, in that moment he admit that. By Instinct human need God, or do you think it's just a coincidence, like earth and humanity ?
     
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  5. prophet666

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    #25
    There is no such thing as real Christianity or for that matter any other man made religion.The real truth is that the human mind is such an instrument that it cannot be enslaved to an idea,for the mind to evolve it has to expand and grow,that is it has to be free and has to discover for it self what life is about.
    I come from India
    :)
     
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  6. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #26
    "I say to ye that ye are Gods".
     
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  7. Nehemiah

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    #27
    Read that entire Pslam (82), and then let me know what you think of it.
     
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  8. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #28
    Gee, was that a request, or an order??? I'll pretend that you meant it politely.

    For PS 82, the word for "Gods" is the Hebrew אלהים' (ĕlôhîym), which is used to apply to "God the most high", as well as magistrates, and angels, Since the word for "God" chosen was NOT one that specifically means "God the most high", OR magistrates, OR angels, אלהים' was chosen so that all three are to be taken in.

    In general, the passage directly states that we are all pieces of God the Almighty, as well as judges of ourselves, and our own angels. (my translation: get off your ass and help yourself).

    The passage is much mangled by pretend and real theologians, who start out with the presumption that it can't really mean what it obviously says, and then they cherry-pick the translation to make it mean what they want it to mean.

    However, I was thinking of John 10:34-38, which uses the word "theos". Read that entire passage, Nehemiah, and let me know what you think of it!!!
     
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    #29
    ~ We are not Gods creatures any longer as we are disowned / expelled from the Garden and must seek redemption, and not through Jesus Christ.... Jesus became redeemed while a mortal and is our example for redemption that the scribes have misinterpreted among many other anomaly's of the Christian bible.
     
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    Genuine Marketer Well-Known Member

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    #30
    You should do that with your kids in the future. Forbid them from doing something and if they don't you punish all their future descendants. I had no choice in the matter of being born with sin... so how twisted is that.
     
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    #31
    ~ No one is instructing man to destroy the present Garden as was the case for the original and if there were no God it would have been in the Garden of Eden for having nuclear holocaust so the simple proof of Gods existence is the self destruction of man on earth than the heavenly body denied by atheist but its outcome rendered by them in denial of humankind's culpability in sustenance for life's meaning as the command from God in the beginning.
     
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    #32
    Seems to me I owe you several apologies; First, for not forming the "request" properly; Second, for causing you to believe that it may have been "an order"; and Third, for causing you to have to "pretend". Please accept my apologies and be assured that, with you, I won't make those mistakes again.
     
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  13. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #33
    Nehemiah, sorry if I came across as harsh. My bad.

    I'm still interested in what you think the passage means, if you'd like to share, please.
     
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    #34
    Athiest: give or take one and you would be correct

    -I have doubts if even a mortal Jesus christ guy existed
     
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    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #35
    I have doubts that arkueckelhan exists. There are plenty of historical documents about Jesus; meanwhile, I can find no proof that a mortal arkueckelhan guy exists.
     
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    #36
    Corwin, I owed you the apologies. . .you didn't/don't owe me "jack"; yet your graciousness is just as awesome as your brilliance in getting your point across. Thanks (hopefully still) my FRIEND.
    When GOD told Moses to go to Pharaoh, HE also told Moses, concerning Pharaoh, "See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh"; same word as in Psalm 82.
    We, we, we (including me), have a tendency, in our English translations to place too much meaning into certain words that some of our meanings/definitions, were never meant to be place into those original meanings.
    The word "god (note the small 'g' in the KJV)" in Psalm 82 is more rhetorical than expressing any other meaning, like Deity, and/or even showing us to just being an offspring (which, of course, true believers like us, really are), of THE MOST HIGH GOD.
    Back to Moses and Pharaoh: The thing that caused GOD to make Moses "a god" to Pharaoh is that Egypt had "a god" for just about every thing that (they believed made them prosperous, and) made them the ruling world power of the day. And when GOD, through Moses, brought about those 10 plagues (which were against the 10 major Egyptian gods) down on Pharaoh and the Egyptians, HE was showing forth to them (among other things) that HE was/IS THE ONLY GOD that is above all other gods. . .and that "its not nice to fool with" [FATHER] THE ONLY GOD there IS.

    :eek::rolleyes::D:cool: Corwin, you are "bad",. . .bad to the bone..."!!! Keep it up my Friend!
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #37
    You must be the only one who has seen this historical documents since it is no known historical document which proves his existence. ;)
     
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    #38
    gworld, you must be the only one who has no interest in the truth of history.

    Let's start with Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Vaticanus, Codex Alexandrinus, Codex Ephraem, Codex Bazae, and about 20 other documents.

    There's also references by the Roman historians Tacitus ("Christ, whom the procurator Pontius Pilate had executed in the reign of Tiberius.") and Josephus ("Jesus, who was called Christ...") ;)

    For his next wise-ass remark, gworld is going to deny Julius Caesar's existence! :p

    Nehemiah, thanks for your comments... let me put it this way - in my interpretation of Christianity, I personally believe that we are all on a much more equal status with Jesus than traditional Christianity teaches.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #39
    LOL. :D

    Christians stupidity is always a constant source of amusement. ;)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus

    So a copy of what is said in Bible, makes the original BS history a truth. You can start a new thread and quote Nehemiah's nonsense posts and then claim what he posted as truth since it is copied in your post. :rolleyes:
     
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  20. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #40
    ?????

    If you have a point to make, you've missed it. Like a fat lady in a milkshake store, you're grasping at straws. Unless your point is to show yourself to be an ignorant bigot, in which case, gworld, we all already know that
     
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