how to know whether a vendor in clickbank can be profitable or not?

I want to how to research on vendor sales page to know whether the site is profitable or not? I mean people say sales page is not attractive , its looks like fake one. Etc etc. How to know that? And tell me which niches are profitable. Don't say ur products coz most of them feel like they are spilling out their secrets. tell the niches like books or entertainment , romance like that.

 

There isn't a way of knowing that for sure, unfortunately. Unless you know the vendor and/or other affiliates of his.

Unlike Click2Sell.eu, Clickbank doesn't disclose the sales figures or conversion-rates of any sales pages, so one can never tell. One has to know from one's own experience (and/or discussing it with other successful affiliates) whether a product's going to be worth promoting. It isn't always easy. Even affiliates with a lot of successful experience can make some bad judgments and guess wrong, sometimes.

The single most important thing to know, in my opinion, is: DON'T assume that a product "must be selling well" and/or "must have a reasonable conversion-rate" just because its gravity number is high. Quite often the exact opposite is the case, and high gravity figures accompany low-ish numbers of sales and an absolutely dreadful conversion-rate, and there are often specific reasons for that.

If you ask some successful affiliates what criteria they use to select products to promote, you can build up a picture, to some extent, of what's likely to work for you. But if you're using only free marketing methods, make sure you select a product in a niche you can easily write about with confidence and fluency. And be careful whom you listen to: sometimes the people with the strongest opinions and apparently the most certainty are the ones who actually know least and aren't nearly as successful as they'd like you to imagine.

 

Trust your instincts.

Look at the vendor's sales page and think like a customer.
If it looks dodgy and doesn't convince you to buy, then don't promote it.
On the other hand, if the page looks professional and the sales copy is persuasive, then it may actually be worth promoting.

 

or run some targetted ads for a few days. then you'll know for sure!

 

A product can be profitable -- but if you don't know how to pre-sell it well, it doesn't matter.

A product can be new and unprofitable -- but if you pre-sell it well, you can sell anything.

 

People are losing money in every niche you could imagine. When someone is earning a good profit in their niche it means they're in the minority and are pretty good at what they do.

Just because a niche or even a specific product is profitable for one affiliate doesn't mean it will be profitable for others. It has a lot to do with skill sets and experience with getting sales.

Don't believe everyone that tells you they know how to make a fortune. Most are just trying to make money off you.

 

Study some of the sales pages. Go through lots of niches and look at the sales pages. If it looks horrible, then you stay away. If the headlines at the top do not convince you, then stay away.

Basically, if it doesn't capture your attention, then it probably doesn't capture others as well. Customers are afraid of sales pages with poor spelling so pay attention to that.

 

thanks for helping out.

 

There aren't really any rules to what works and what doesn't.

Many people have the misconception that a website that sells follows the same conventional pattern: flashy sales page, long sales letter, lots of testimonials and bonuses. While pages like this do work very well, there are also sales letters which follow a more unique and original approach. These unique sales pages, are often criticized by the affiliates, who think the sales page won't work.

However, this is not true. Even the pages that have an unique twist, can be very profitable.
Simply look at fat loss 4 idiots or truth about abs. Both have very unconventional sales letters. Most marketers would rule those sales pages as bad. But both of them are hugely successful products that sell well.

There are so many different types of customers and different markets, any sales page might convert, even if it's not flashy, with nice graphics and all that. Sometimes a short simple pitch can work as well.

The best way to see what converts is to try promoting the product yourself. Since you cannot go and try to promote every product out there. Look for something with at least 20 gravity. High gravity products in most cases are certain to sell well. However, you have plenty of competition for those products.
With lower gravity products, it's more of a hit-and-miss situation, some might sell, some might not, but you have less competition than promoting a higher gravity product.

 

Very good points here - I agree completely with this.

That's complete nonsense.

There's no correlation between gravity and sales numbers. There's no correlation between gravity and conversion-rates. There are many reasons why products with poor sales numbers and poor conversion-rates can have very high gravity. This is just factual, however much people like to imagine, believe and express the opposite.

 

Pick a product that you have an interest in with a great headline and offer.

 

We've been Through this several times.

Although gravity does not tell you the amount of sales the product is making, you can bet that higher gravity products in most cases, make more revenue than lower gravity ones.

I have several clickbank products with all kinds of gravity.From my personal experience, the higher gravity the product has usually (but not always) means higher revenue. So my statements are from personal experience. Of course, sometimes this is not the case, sometimes you can make a significant amount of money even if you don't have high gravity, but you have several quality affiliates which are able to generate many sales per day each.

I work solely as a vendor right now, but when I was still promoting products, I usually chose higher gravity ones and they did sell well, and traffic was a bit easier to get.

I'm talking about normal non-inflated gravity, not the gravity you get during those MMO launches where each customer buys using his own aff link.


There is a reason why some products have high gravity and why others don't. With the higher gravity ones, the affs can easily pick up the product and make easy sales, resulting in a rise of gravity. This is usually because the product sells well, and it is in a big profitable niche, leaving room for most people to make sales.

I understand how you feel about high gravity products, I know it was at the start of your marketing career when you stopped promoting such products, I'd suggest you to give them another shot, it might work out better for you this time, and you might change your mind.

 

You guys are funny. Same argument. Same point by point explanation. It's been months already...

 

We have indeed.

That's part of the reason I'm so dismayed to see you still making such ludicrously untrue statements as the one I corrected above.

I spent many months, when I started trying to make a living as a Clickbank affiliate, believing people like you who said things like that in forums like this. It was a hugely poor judgment on my part, and it took me a long time to correct it. Many people would have given up instead. Many still do.

Well, don't be too surprised if affiliates prefer to listen to other affiliates rather than to vendors. Not doing that was one of the mistakes I used to make.

No, it isn't. That's just plain wrong. For all the reasons explained in this post and many, many others.

However patronising and condescending you try to make yourself sound, it's actually only your own image that you're belittling in the process here, not mine. I make no secret of the fact that (like many here) when I became a Clickbank affiliate it took me many months to get started profitably and productively, but I've now learned that you're talking total nonsense and that you have a vested interest in doing so, and as a result of learning that I'm making a steady $4,000/$5,000 per month from that source, thanks. You're the only one who comes across as unprofessional in these conversations, however many times you make these dishonest statements designed to fool people, and however much you try to belittle me. And every time we have an "exchange of views" on this or a similar subject on the board, I have a very full inbox from fellow-members thanking me for exposing the misinformation you're giving out as what it is. So carry on for as long as you want, as far as I'm concerned.

We aim to please ...

 

Alexa, you're portraying vendors like evil people who are greedy for money, and care only for personal profits, and don't give a damn about the affiliates. Also I read your post that you referred to. The thing with the information you posted there, is that it is a theory. What I'm saying is from factual data that I have gathered both as a vendor and as an affiliate.

I have no bias to endorse high-gravity products, I just prefer them from personal experience. Personally, it would be better for me if the affiliates promoted lower-gravity products, since I have a couple of lower gravity products which I'd like to do better. My higher gravity product is already doing well and making a solid income, so I'm working on improving the other ones.

Here's an excerpt of your post:

I believe you're mixing apples and oranges here. I'm talking about genuine high-gravity products, not MMO product launches which reach high gravity and 2 weeks later drop like a stone.

I'm talking about non-MMO products which have high gravity and have continiously sustained that gravity for a longer period of time (like E4E, truth about abs, burn the fat feed the muscle etc..)

About your theory that someone is using 100 clickbank accounts to buy the product and refund them privately in order to bump gravity, than refund the product, is far fetched and paranoid. Please back that up with some evidence. Your argument is a conspiracy theory. Just a suggestion, add some jews and aliens to that story, and you'd have a pretty good conspiracy theory.

Also, even if you did that, it wouldn't work out. If the product converts poorly, the gravity will drop like a rock. You will not sustain the fake gravity with a poor-converting product. If someone did that, he might've kick-started his product, but if the product doesn't convert well, it will drop in gravity.

Example: Run your car on water ,it converted very well, it had nearly 1000 gravity, one of the best converting products I've promoted as an affiliate. As soon as it stopped converting well, the gravity started dropping, see my point there?
If your point was correct, about gullible affiliates making an occasional sale per week, thus sustaining the high gravity, than Run your car on water would've still had high gravity. This product now has a gravity of less than 20 If I recall correctly

If you fake gravity with a poor-converting product, the gravity will drop hard.

For my products, when I see a drop of sales, I usually see a drop in gravity. It's not always the case, but it is 90% of the time.

 

Look for a Vendor with no Newsletter or Opt-In. This will mean less sales for you.
Do keyword research with Market Samarui.
Make sure the Sales page is converting (look at Stats in Clickbank)
Check the Online Competition.
Put the product name into google, check for any bad reviews from Affiliates.
Test it for yourself, it is sometimes the only way....

 

Interestingly, it's a "theory" that many affiliates have started making a living by coming to understand, and by acting accordingly. Including me.

It took me a long time to learn and understand everything in the post you're referring to, but for me (and many, many others) it made the difference between not making a living and making a living. It's just "how the market works" and many affiliates don't understand it. And many vendors are distinctly uncomfortable about it being openly explained to affiliates. "Go figure"!

 

You have your own opinion, I have mine. It's normal to have different opinions.

I keep in touch with many of my affiliates. There are some which are constantly earning 5 figures monthly per clickbank.

All of those five figure earners, say that they would promote anything, regardless of the gravity, both high and low gravity works for them. They usually look for something with at least 20 gravity, and at least 20$ per sale. Sp their conclusion is, almost all products which have at least 20 gravity should be promoted. Most affiliates I've spoken with disagree with your opinion to exclude high gravity products from promotion alltogether.


As far as making a living online is concerned. When I first started working with clickbank, I was working strictly as an affiliate, and I was making a living as an affiliate. I promoted all kinds of products, but 80% of the sales came from high gravity products like: run your car on water, Vince Delmonte Fitness, earth4energy. I was putting equal efforts into promoting lower gravity products as well. I promoted lower gravity ones, but for the lower gravity products, the problem mostly was that traffic was a bit harder to find, and they were a hit-and-miss, some would sell, some wouldn't sell at all.

The thing is, I accept your opinion, and I give you my counter-arguments because I disagree.

What is not cool, is that you're portraying me, and other vendors, as greedy people which have some kind of secret agenda do trick people into thinking that high gravity means something positive.

All my opinions are based on personal experience. I still have my affiliates accounts, I have all the data here, I can even send you a excel file of my affiliate accounts, so that you can see from which products my sales were coming from.

 

Hi Guys

Just thought I would butt in here with My 2c as it is going around. Ro be honest most of my sales have come from low gravity products. Products that have between a 20 to 70 gravity. I am not saying high gravity products dont convert as I have had a few sales from them too.

All I am saying is it is pure personal preference. If you think you are savvy enough to go after the high gravity product and can get some sales from it then do so. If you dont think you are up to it then go after the lower gravity products.

can see both sides of the argument here and I have great respect for both alexa and ripped but I think in this situation you should both agree to disagree.

Pete

 

Okay. So. High Gravity Products Can Sell. Low Gravity Products Can Sell. I've Sold Both Myself. With Success. It's A Matter Of Preference. The End.