It's rather abhorrent to know a so-called civilized country had/has such illegal practices (not so very long ago). Harvesting body parts of your citizens 'without permission is bad enough', but to remove body parts from Palestinians killed by them (Israel) is particularly sickening and only lends credibility to recent and previous stories of such.
what did I allege and how is it false ? can you please elaborate a bit for the benefit of the masses ? of-course I call isreal racist for stealing organs from Palestinians! is there any wrong in doing so ? Palestinians are the victimized and discriminated against race in isreal, just because isreal also admitted that the also did same to their own blood does not mean that it absolves them of the crimes committed against Palestinians. in fact they should have taken extra care while dealing with Palestinians so that no one could have raised fingers over their mistreatment and hence accuse isaral of organ stealing from Palestinians I am sure, now you would say that ... hey they throw rockets ...so that is why we stole organs as I said, now it getting harder to stay on topic. of-course you can always try to seek refuge by labeling others a anti-semite
Ah New, like writing to a brick wall(as usual). Let me throw some more information at you. It never penetrates, but it might stick. As already pointed out by your article, the Palestinians were not singled out for when organs were harvested. Your argument is with your own article, and if you cant understand that, there is nothing I can write to help. In my usual style, I'll provide you the definition of indiscriminate which, according to your article, describes well the actions of these Organ salesmen. in⋅dis⋅crim⋅i⋅nate   /ˌɪndɪˈskrɪmənɪt/ [in-di-skrim-uh-nit] –adjective 1. not discriminating; lacking in care, judgment, selectivity, etc.: indiscriminate in one's friendships. 2. not discriminate; haphazard; thoughtless: indiscriminate slaughter. 3. not kept apart or divided; thrown together; jumbled: an indiscriminate combination of colors and styles. In other words, the Israeli Forensics people harvested organs from Palestinians and Israelis alike without permission. They did not discriminate. Now I know you still don't have it, so go back, and read it again before posting the ridiculous rebuttal I know is coming that shows you either didn't read it or didn't understand it. Go on... read it again.. You can do it. Agree. The practice was reprehensible. I'm sure the families of the Israeli soldiers are equally angry. You should join them in seeking prosecution of those guilty of this crime. What, are you the chosen people? Are your dead somehow or other worth more than the Israeli dead? Why don't you explain your "extra care" statement without sounding like a complete bigot or idiot. Keep in mind that the people committing these acts were likely profiteers, not politicians, much like the folks who stole the sign at the front of Auschwitz. No, that is something someone who didn't read the article they linked would say. It seems pretty clear that harvesting the organs was profitable. I can imagine the organ harvesters might have even thought they were doing humanitarian work, since the dead no longer need their organs, while those same organs can save lives. If that were true, it would certainly be a better refuge than the Ignorance you use as yours.
A decent article detailing most of the organ trafficking. Israeli Organ Trafficking and Theft: From Moldova to Palestine http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/aw-organs2.html
This crap is going to go on until the cows come home or until Iran nukes someone - Whichever comes first. Maybe we'll nuke someone, it wouldn't be the first time. Can we talk about global warming now Mommy... I want to hear the one about Global warming... Pleeeeease Mommy, pleeeeeeease... I love that story. I mean, seriously, when aren't Jews killing Palestinians? They seem to never get enough. Or the other way around works just as good. They don't like each other. What else is new?
yes, the point is pretty simple however if someone like obamanation will keep their head buried in dung than ofcourse they will also fail to see that sky is blue when did I say that it was only done with Palestinians ? do you realize that it is the isrealis who are in control it is the isralis who are in power it is the isrealsi who pull the strings isreal can do whatever they want with isreals (as they are same ethnicity) but when they do something (bad) with Palestinians than it is racist because Palestinians are the less powerful ethnic group and there is a KNOWN history of ethnic tensions between the TWO do you realize that many of the Palestinians people from which organs were stolen were actually KILLED by terrorist israli forces and further stealing organs is adding insult to injury but I guess the isrealis and their supporters are like vultures who take pride in stealing organs why do you think that the world media gave this news a prominent coverage ? was that beacise of the Palestinian conflict and all the news of organ stealing that already surrond isreal or was that because 'another isolated incident of organ stealing took place' what this news clarifies it that ORGAN STEALING did TOOK PLACE .. so all the news that surround isreal about stealing from dead Palestinians were not entirely false and did have some BASIS
Poor New. Struggling with the English language. For it to be discriminatory, it would have to have been done ONLY to Palestinians. I said you wouldn't understand, but I would encourage you to go back and read the definition AGAIN. I know, you still won't get it. At least your quote above admits that you know Israel didn't fill the definition of the word Discrimination, even if you won't use it in application to them. Just more evidence of your bigotry. So the Palestinians are right in the conflict because Israel is more powerful. I think we have all heard that argument before. So by that logic, a crooked white doctor who illegally harvests the organs of many people, including some black people, illegally is a racist against blacks? After all, there is a history of black/white racial tension in the states. Don't get me wrong, I can totally see Al Sharpton/Jessee Jackson making the same argument. Those two are major contributors to the prolonged issues of black people in the US. How does it feel to be part of the problem New? When you reverse the argument, and have a black doctor illegally harvesting the organs of many people including white people, you won't see them crawling out of the woodwork to cry racism. You realize there is a war going on? Ah, the Narrative. There it is. Israel is evil. All who support Israel are evil. You REALLY have to save that for someone with your level of education(3rd grade) or lower. You'll find it much more effective. It would have been big news anyway. Its highly unethical. I also believe your complaints of harvesting were more recent than the year 2000, so it isn't even verification of those claims. That said, if it happened then, I would guess it could have happened more recently. You never answered my question. Why don't you join forces with the families of the IDF soldiers who also had illegal harvesting performed in a legal effort to bring those guilty to justice? It is a perfect opportunity for your people to work with the Jooooos on something. I know I know, you probably don't deem them worthy of speaking to. After all, they are less than people to you.
Maybe we should ask a simple question to everyone posting in this thread: Was the harvesting of any organs without permission OK or should those who were personally involved (the actual people who did the cutting, told someone to do it, etc..) be punished? I wonder if those having a hard time with simple English words can answer this...
It would not have been big news, it is big because of the arab isreal conflict and the organ stealing which was done from Palestinians you can chose to disagree, but If a white doctor in SA had stole organs from Blacks and afterwords the govt acknowledged that it was done for both blacks/whites it would have been known by the MASSES as a discriminatory action against blacks .. as blacks were already victimized in SA and whites being in power and control should not have let such event to take place ..that is pretty much commonsense ..of-cuorse the proud racists like you would have still cried and would have tired to downplay the incident and do we have the numbers that how many organs were stolen from isrealis and how many from Palestinians ? I highly doubt that the isreali terrorist govt would admit the whole truth anyway .. it does not matter that who did it, it is the isreali terrorist govt which is responsible for ORGANS WHICH WERE STOLEN FROM PALESTINIANS, it happened under their nose and control do you think that isrealis would have been fool enough to order the organ stealing from arabs in black and white? may be the doctors who did that had the secret patronage of govt .. who knows
I don't think anyone has posed that answer before, it's ridiculous as ridiculous as when that answer is given by Israeli supporters. The answer from your quote is given in response to when propagandists say Israel is small, Israeli has a weak army and it's given to the proportionality of how Israel attacks a civilian population to hunt down people who throw rockets into Israel (because they are fed up with the occupation, land stealing, oppression, apartheid and human rights abuses and terrorism on a daily basis). You don't drop a nuke on Cali to kill members of the Bloods and Crips. That's using faulty logic. What you mean is a crooked white doctor that is a member of the KKK? that harvests organs of whites and non whites? Or an American doctor who speaks about getting a fence to protect America from Mexican illegal immigrants and the need to keep America 'a white country' then goes out blasting Mexicans crossing the border with his shot gun and collecting the organs? In the latter of both it does an insult to injury. In the 1990's it "wasn't happening", until it just came out. Arabs work with Jews all the time, they did to collect evidence of human rights abuses, war crimes and even protest the war. And they should work and will work with the affected Jews and those internationally wherever organ harvesting took place or where the stolen organs were sold. Do you think it was "ok"? I don't think anyone normal would, and yes all involved should be prosecuted however there is little chance of that the guys involved being charged and face any real punishment as the Israeli government and health ministry were complicit. Israel's Health Ministry told Channel 2, "The guidelines at that time were not clear." Better get these guys guidelines drawn up as they don't have any common sense or decency to make proper decisions without 'guidelines'.
I do not usually start a post with LOL, but LOL .. some posters are funny, they are like: "hay come on, it is not only Palestinians from whom they steal organs, it is from all! even Israelis.. so what is the big deal? be calm, there is no problem here" but there is a good progress, before if you dare to say something like: "umm, I think, some I mean some not all, some Israelies, are stealing organs ..." then you will get a storm of people like browntwn crying ANTISEMITIC it is normal for Israel by now, to deny and lie always, until they are faced with so many proofs that they can no longer deny, then, they admit it and try to justify it, as that funny poster is trying to do, the same method been used when they denied using WP in Lebanon in 1982 against civilians, after Lebanses said so, they said, oh.. who want to believe those Lebanese, they are antisemitic, but later, when foreign journalist investigated and recorded it, they admitted it ... same when they been caught bombing American and British targets in Egypt in what been later known as Lavon Affair, they first denied it, and said, ohhh, who wants to believe those Arabs, they are antisemitic, but later, after it also been proved without any doubt, they admitted it .. and so on, examples are many, including this organs that still not all about it is known to public.
Nice propaganda link. The only thing they are missing is the, "And we still won't acknowledge Israel's right to exist" at the bottom. It is the overriding theme of the posts. Look at the link above. "Poor Palestine. Look at our dead, look how they dominate us". Rocket fire is an act of war, supported and promoted by the Palestinian leadership. They would be justified in completely occupying Gaza. Did someone drop a nuke on Palestine? The bloods and the crips are not government sponsored, nor do they attack California's neighbors. Any other irrelevant analogies? Faulty logic? Your analogy assumes Israel is as racist as the KKK, when it is your people who won't even acknowledge their right to exist. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. OK, any other bad analogies? If the Mexicans are crossing the border onto his property, he should have every right to blast em, regardless of his racist views. Collecting organs would get him arrested, Mexicans or otherwise. What is your point? Any other useless analogies? I already admitted this. Good. That is the right avenue to take. Lets hope they also protest Palestine's leadership as well. Agree Certainly your opinion, though not borne out by the evidence yet. If it turns out to be the case, there are means of pursuing justice for that as well, without having to destroy the country of Israel. It is this point that the Palestinians, especially those on this forum, don't seem to get. Then again, racism is usually blind. Nobody here has said organ harvesting without permission is OK. That is just you. So you are saying they are like the Palestinians? Or Iran? What is your point?
Maybe in your pro Israeli head. However the general theme is they are pariah state from the rest of the civilized world (yet try to pretend to be one of us), and people need to realize that, and 'out with the propaganda'. It's tantamount to a Nazi state. We could start off from the very outset of Israel but posts can only be so long on DP so here's some recent stuff. Things like building illegal apartheid walls as we see in this International court Judgement against Israel, similarly how in some occupied areas Palestinians are under Israeli law but are 'second class citizens' in their own country, unable to vote under Israeli law, nor have the same the same privileges yet another form of apartheid. Israel breaking the ceasefire to start the war in Gaza, which killed many children, women and men innocents intentionally, then Israel said the opposite and blamed Hamas. Deliberately targeting infrastructure such as water, sewage and electricity designed not to kill terrorists but innocent people. (Plus recently Israel was/is denying Palestinians access to even the basic minimum of clean), also there was the targeting UN schools, compounds not to mention hospitals food storage and of course homes. Nearly forgot but they were targeting the Red Cross too and denying them access to Gaza. Committing war crimes, as the Israeli and (and self described Zionist) judge Goldstone found in his report on the war crimes. Shooting innocent women and children with white flags held up was no off the books for the Israeli's. Why do you think Israel blocked the media in an "unprecedented violation of press freedom"? Maybe because we would see the above? and things like Israel dropping white phosphorus on civilian areas constituting one of many a war crimes, as say Amnesty International? Israel using Human Shields [1] contrary to International law (denying it) then actually Israel appealed a ban on using human shields (which you have seen before). A civilized country appealing a ban on using human shields? Imposing concentration camp conditions on Gaza and occupying and building contrary to international law on their land: That's why they need aid, have no fuel, have insufficient food, have destroyed sanitation systems and no electricity in hospitals and you won't let them get the supplies in they need to rebuild them after you destroyed them. UN chief asks Israel to end Gaza blockade; stop rights violation At the same time Israel is inviting and advertising for more Jews to come and take there homes, shoot at them and otherwise abuse them, destroying their olive groves whilst the government is expanding settlements (on their land) whilst the world says "no". Jordan uses EU, US to put the squeeze on Israeli settlements Austria: Israel undermining any peace process The Netherlands urges moratorium on Israeli settlements Moscow Concern over Israeli Settlement Expansion in East Jerusalem Obama criticizes new Israeli move on settlements (but he's an Anti-Semite) Brazil's Lula calls for Israel settlement freeze Madrid reminds Israel: settlements in occupied Jerusalem 'contrary to international law'. Britain says Israeli settlements 'obstacle' to Mideast peace If Israel were serious about peace they would stop the settlements, in fact the longer Israel don't have peace the longer they can build - Peace is not in there interest. Considering just the very little bit above it's no wonder they get rockets, defense is justified as you accept. You used race as analogy, I bettered it. You quote: "So by that logic, a crooked white doctor who illegally harvests the organs of many people, including some black people, illegally is a racist against blacks?" Israel is a racist state. See the Link where that's quoted from. Whats next? It's all justified because Israel doesn't like getting rockets for occupying and oppressing people in concentration camp conditions? The Palestinians are no better or worse that those in the The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
If the Palestinians were about peace, they would acknowledge the right of Israel to exist. Defense? I think you mean retaliation. That, and general hatred, which is why they won't acknowledge their right to exist, even with the horrible conditions they have made for themselves. According to you. If they stopped the rockets and openly acknowledged Israels right to exist, it would be hard for the US or anyone else to support aggressive action against Gaza, and the full force of world pressure to end the settlements and restore the 1967 borders. Hamas doesn't want that, which is why you have something to whine about. Yeah, except only a few people, like you, are buying the idea that Israel is comparable to the Nazis. I'd say keep up the propaganda work, but I honestly don't believe you are going to find the fertile ground you seek for that line of propaganda in the western world. There just aren't enough uneducated and bleeding hearts.
oh great, now implying that Israelis stole Palestinians organs after killing them because Palestinians do not acknowledge Israel right to exist, and not because those Israelis who did it are the lowest type of thieves, else than the so-called Israel, which is the biggest fraud in history, is there any country in the world that demand another group to acknowledge their right of existence? and what does it exactly mean when somebody says "right to exist" by demanding a "right to exist" a person acknowledge that there is something wrong or not normal happened, that makes him want to normalize this situation, not by correcting the wrong that he did, but by demanding others to acknowledge that they are OK with that wrong, the right to exist, is nothing except acknowledging Israelis right to occupy else land by force, and why they specifically want Palestinians to acknowledge their blessing for expelling them out their homeland, and stealing their properties? and deleting any right of Palestinians to exist on their own historical homeland? it is because, the so-called Israel knows very well, that only the real owners of the land, can legalize the theft they did, by stop demanding it back, since Palestinians will never drop their right in their own homeland, Israel will want to cover it with the "Israel right to exist" a good article about this right to exist myth that I recommend you to read, can be found here Israel's right or not to exist - The facts and truth
Yes. Every other country. Basically, in any revolution, it takes a while before other nations recognize the revolutionaries as an established government. It was true for America. Had Iraq occupied Kuwait long enough, Kuwait could have ceased to have been acknowledged as a nation. Right now, Palestine is not recognized as a nation by the rest of the world, but wants to be. Israel, on the other hand, IS recognized as a nation. Palestine's failure to recognize their immediate and well established neighbor reeks of racial hatred, and will be an insurmountable obstacle to their legitimization so long as it continues. You can whine about it, you can cry about it, you can do whatever you like. Those are the plain and simple facts. You'd have the same luck fighting and complaining about gravity. Iran realizes this, which is why they are working on a nuclear weapon. The so called Palestine seems to have its own legitimacy problems eh? The bad grammar in your cartoon is classic. I guess its hard to write with a bomb strapped to your chest.
Thanks for proving my point, the so-called Israel as a recognized country still begging the right of existence from a non-recognized country, it seems there is a problem here, and of course only by an aknowledgement from the real owners of the land, it will be solved, while Palestine already have the right to exist as a country but is not recognized by all countries in the world, since it is not declared yet by a group with official capacity, this proves one thing, those whom the Israelis are demanding them to acknowledge the so-called Israel right to exist, do actually exist, this means Palestinians have the official capacity to acknowledge countries right or not to exist, as it is clear from the so-called Israel demanding them to acknowledge its right to exist, so I hope they will declare Palestine even from one side, since negotiations have been destroyed, and at the same time, give the so-called Israel the opposite of what they are demanding in not recognizing it, or in declaring the so-called Israel NO RIGHT to exist as an occupation force, I do not know whether on purpose or out of ignorance you mixed between a country existence and a country recognition, Palestine does exist, but there are tries to wipe it off the map, while Israel does not exist and the tries at the first Zionist conference was to put it somewhere on the map, suggestions were Palestine and Argentina, just by considering Argentina as an option, it proves that they do not care about rights, since already both Palestine and Argentina are two countries that do exist, till now.