Hamas celebrated his 22nd Anniversary today. In his speech, Hamas prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh (the no. 1 guy of Hamas today) said: "We will never give up on a Palestine from the river to the sea" (referring to pre-1948 boundaries of the British Mandate in Palestine, before the state of Israel was established.) Also in the same speech, he said: "We will never recognize Israel's right to exist" , "Hamas would not compromise with Israel" "Olmert Olmert, you fell, but Hamas is still standing" :lol: He also defined the outcome of operation "Cast Lead" as a "divine victory". So I guess he is not a regular reader of this forum.... this also kinda reminds me "Victory day" celebrated in Egypt annually on 6th of October to "celebrate" the unnecessary war of 1973 which ended more or less like it started and the 15,000 unwanted bodies Israel had to drop back in Egypt. Still in the same speech, he said: "This movement, with the help of the militant factions liberated the Gaza Strip, and we say, brothers and sisters, we will not be satisfied with Gaza. Hamas looks toward the whole of Palestine, the liberation of the strip is just a step to liberating all of Palestine" (meaning Israel as well as the West Bank and Gaza) :?: wait a minute....I thought that Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and that Hamas did not "liberate the Gaza strip" but rather seize power by brute force in Gaza strip through the slaughter of more than 600 Palestinians, dozens of which had their bodies mutilated and thrown off the top of the Gazan roofs. Those wounded who managed to escaped, were treated in Israeli hospitals. In the same rally today, Mahmoud a-Zahar, co-founder of Hamas and leader, said: "Hamas has been able to realise a large part of its goals and to overcome every obstacle it has faced "., which raises the automatic question: "and these goals are...........?!" (but I'm sure there are many members on this forum who will gladly tell me more about these goals that Hamas have realized....) (p.s. During "Cast Lead", the same nice gentleman, a-Zahar - cofounder of Hamas to remind you, said: "They have legitimised the murder of their own children by killing the children of Palestine, they have legitimised the destruction of their synagogues and their schools by hitting our mosques and our schools." ) source and on the more moderate, pragmatic side of the Palestinian society: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1260447421989 yup, pragmatic and moderate perhaps, but democratic? not with the Arabs Currently the hate between the PLO and the Hamas is much greater than their hate to Israel. I will make a thread about it some day later. Can you imagine an Israel Prime minister who will say: "We will never recognize the Palestinian's right to exist" ? "We will never give up on a Palestine from the river to the sea" ? of course not. By definition: its either say that, or get elected. You think that Haniyeh will not be re-elected? don't worry, he will. Try to put yourselves in my place now. If you were a common Israeli guy watching this speech live in full, will you support the opening of the Israeli-Gaza border-crossings tomorrow and allowing many thousands of workers, necessarily including couple of Hamas terrorists who can't be filtered out, to come and work near your children every day? (a.k.a stop the "blockade") sources: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8411396.stm http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091214/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/978/507.html http://wvgazette.com/ap/ApInternational/200912140220 http://www.zeenews.com/news587429.html For those many respectful members of this forum who really love the Hamas, here for desert is a masterpiece from Fathi Hammad, Hamas's minister of "Internal security" (= murder of PLO, Jund ansar Allah and other political rivals, chaostrivia) and member of the legislative council: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfwt0sLYLY . And for those who really love the Hamas, here is the education that every human being should dream that his children will receive : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR8Tfd0i4lY (the music's lyrics sings on the great and honor in martyrdom) Stop the Apartheid! Stop Racism! Catch the criminals! Free Palestine!
It's funny, they won't recognize Israel, but, alas, it is Palestine which is not recognized as a country by just about anyone. Not even the UN.
Funnier still is watching New, Toothpic, Imad, and Polite Teen try and convince people that they somehow or other HAVE acknowledged Israel's right to exist. If they are saying things that Palestine's leadership vehemently disagrees with, are they enemies of the Palestinian state, or just confused/retarded.
Yup. The Palestinians are the tragedy of their own existence. In Gaza, finally after 40 years of foreign rule they have sovereignty and control of their own fate. What they choose to do with it? instead of applying for international aid (which they got anyhow) and start building schools, infrastructure etc', they preferred to slaughter each other, establish an Islamic emirate under sharia law, smuggle weapons, and range southern Israel with primitive rockets. So pathetic to an unbelievable degree. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8089535.stm http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1106689.html
What you are describing is Darwinism at work. They should just block off the place completely, and let them work it out amongst themselves. In complete isolation, they would either kill each other off completely, or find a way to peacefully exist. Either way, problem solved. You could call it an emergency medical quarantine. After all, idiocy is contageous.
No, no it's not. It's not even a full member of the UN. It's not recognized as a sovereign nation by more than half the world. Please, read up and study some more before you make such statements on things you don't actually understand. They are given some forms of diplomatic missions, but, they are not actually recognized as a state by most of the world. But please, don't take that as saying I don't think they should. I think they should, when they can learn to work and play well with others.
Well at least they are listed in wikipedia Isn't that world recognition, they certainly have my recognition. Lol.. p/s- Oh, and I can say whatever I want
And who care what the UN recognize and don't. As long as its original people call it Palestine, its original people careless what other may call it or recognize it as
agreed..!!! IL always expanding their area.. actually what they can get with that?? There is no oil or gold over there.. PL needs room to enjoy their life..
Does anyone find it ironic that one of the newest and youngest hateful cults fails to recognize a race that predates them by thousands of years? Strange...
What I find it ironic is the tries to label anybody who opposite Israel and it's crimes with antisemitism, either directly or indirectly as you did, there are so many Jews, as you know, who do not recognize Israel, some Palestinians are the same, and they are correct in regards to international law, which if been implemented, then UN also should not recognize Israel since it violated the conditions in which it been recognized, that's another topic, here I m replying your try to bring race into this, race has nothing to do with it, the proof in these:
Imad, you forgot to put quotes of Ehad ha'am and Ben Gurion. oh, and a picture of a peaceful church in Gaza. And what do you think about the opening post? you agree with Haniyeh?
Yes, of course, I do agree that Palestinians should never recognize Israel, I thought that was so clear, since maybe you first came to these forums and objected why I use the term of (illegal state of Israel) and got an answer, of why I, and international law, see Israel as illegal. in fact, I believe Palestinians as people and also as leadership should reconsider their mistake when they recognized Israel for the sake of peace, since peace is not what Israel is looking for, and of course never been what Israel looking for, then any try to recognize Israel will be an encouragement for crimes, occupation, racism, and apartheid that should be stopped. when Israel think it can live without these, then there will be people who are willing to recognize Israel on natural bases, and not because of fear or greed. for Mia, are you trying to imply that the picture I have above is not real, if this is what you are trying to say, why not just say it directly?
why are you so embarrassed to say it is fake directly if you know it is fake? you know such methods of implying, and make-believe, are only practicied by cowards, if you truly believe in something, why don't you support it strongly? by saying this picture is fake?
Jeremy/MIA, that Maxim photoshop was very disturbing. I might not jack off for a week after seeing that. Imad, those pictures may or may not be photo shopped but it makes no difference. Democracy is about the right of people to dissent. What happens to Palestinians who oppose Hamas? I doubt we will ever know. Even the best run governments on the planet (pick your western nation) has things they do wrong/dont do well, and people who complain about it. Hell, there is a portion of any nation that is rooting for it to loose in an armed conflict. I consider it moronic but nevertheless, it is a real phenomenon. Regarding what their signs say, I agree. Anti-semitism != Anti-Israel, but that doesn't make your wish that Israel was wiped from the face of the map any less racist.
they might be photo shopped, and they might be not, this is better, and it is true, but it applies to every picture been posted on this forum, so you actually added nothing, except another try to cast a doubt in a picture that destroys Mia theory of opposing Israel= antisemitism, as you admitted, so we have here two kinds of people who do not recognize Israel, the first is Jews, they are not antisemitic, they are democratic who deserve to be heard when they do not recognize Israel, and the other is Palestinians, who are antisemitic, and do not deserve to be heard when they do not recognize Israel? in other words, according to your race, you are considered antisemitic, or not, who is the racist here, me or you?