any penalty?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Michellylei, Dec 15, 2009.

  1. #1
    the site A is a new site for 1-2 month and I build many 200 low quality links in a week to one of site A inner page. and it got some keyword ranked about 100# for 3 days and gone again for 10 days so far. is it pentalty?

    now i search title in "", it rank at very low.
    search some specific keyword, some download site(contain that keyword too) rank before the site A and sometimes the targeted page is not on serp, other pages of site A appear.

    and i search keyword site:siteA.com, most other site A non-optimized page ranked and the targted page is very low or not in serp.
     
    Michellylei, Dec 15, 2009 IP
  2. mjewel

    mjewel Prominent Member

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    It will take 6 to 12 months for your site to settle down. What you are experiencing is normal for a new site.
     
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  3. redthehat

    redthehat Peon

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    If you are building low quality links, then you can be sure not to expect a huge amount of results. Key is generating mid to high quality links through various methods, but gradually. Working fast is seen as being agressive and less natural, and can have a negative impact on your rankings.

    Slow and steady, and dont be afraid to slow release everything that you do.
     
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  4. Roger_Silvester

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    Hi,
    I agree with redthehat any new site takes some time to sattle down. Concentrate on getting quality do follow back links they would help your site. Be calm, patient, because SEO is a very slow process but you must work continuously to get good results.
     
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  5. HarryJackson

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    There is no penalization for low quality links or having too many links at once but issue is that these low quality links never provide you any favorable results..just focus on some mid or high quality links its not an over night work alot of efforts and patience are required
     
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  6. Sukijus

    Sukijus Peon

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    Try to have targeted links, this way you will have a back links and targeted traffic. But don't worry mate, the site is still young, it needs time to settle.;)
     
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  7. trosquin

    trosquin Active Member

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    Absolute BULL....yes there is most definately a PENALTY for Building links too fast!

    ALSO if you told us what site "A" was we could figure out if you are indeed in a Penalty
     
    trosquin, Dec 15, 2009 IP
  8. HomeComputerGames

    HomeComputerGames Peon

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    If there was a penalty then all a person needs to do is target his competitors and not themselves.
    You might raise some flags if you automate this but you are not going to build too swiftly if doing them personally.
     
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  9. trosquin

    trosquin Active Member

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    I am sure Google has some algorythm built in to see if indeed you or a competitor are building a ton of links....maybe by IP?

    I just know I built about 1k links in a month and got a nice multiple month penalty. Of course I do not know for sure this got me the penalty....but i know what I did to my site in that time and building backlinks is the most likely cuprate.
     
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  10. redthehat

    redthehat Peon

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    It is long debated whether or not Google actually penalise or just dont tick a box.

    Personally, I dont believe that Google would penalize, as you have said already, if this was the case, I would target all of my competitors instead of building my off page SEO.


    As far as a built in algorythm, no this is not the case. Bots dont see the IP of who submitted what on a website, not only do bots not see that, but that would constitute a breach of privacy on Google's behalf. In no way, shape or form can Google tell the difference. The only thing that could generate such a result from Google is if you were using a dodgy link directory. You see, if the links are badly intertwined, then youre screwed.

    I would be 99% confident that the result of you losing rankings would not be through a penalty, but the link directory, or whoever supplied you with the links running a dodgy network, and linking between each other badly. In cases like this, Googlebot simply gets confused, and doesnt know what to send back to Google.
     
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  11. dealeris

    dealeris Active Member

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    This is normal if you are building low quality links, find a few same niche strong links to get and you will probably see the difference.
     
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  12. redthehat

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    I was going to post this last night, but I needed sleep, been working myself into the ground. The below is a very ugly but self explanitory description of the usual crud link building network.

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    Now can anyone here see the problem? See, Googlebot follows links, as I am sure that you are all aware. When a site is part of a network like this, Googlebot literally gets trapped in a circle, and doesnt ever really leave that network. Its like "THis site is leading to this one, which leads to that one, which leads back to where I can from, then it leads up here, then back again", get my drift?

    So, in theory, even though you may have generated hundreds of links to your site, in an attempt to identify these, Googlebot is only getting itself confused, and in most cases, reporting back incorrect data.

    It is my belief that this does not penalize someone, however, if someone has boosted their rankings previously from a link exchange like this, then suddenly your ranks have dropped, it is more than likely due to the link directory being run badly, prefrence being given to quantity rather than quantity. What is the reason for me not believing that Google penalizes for this? Well, if that were the case, I would be submitting all of my competitors sites to as many dodgy link eschanges as I could, and as many dodgy blog directories for the sake of penalizing them. If penalties did occur, everyone would be screwed.

    Hope that helps some of you guys get the idea about how this works, and why it would seem that Google penalize people for this.
     
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    Hey red,
    Thanks for the information it is covered all the aspect and really helpful i will remark it when i optimize ma website...
     
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  14. redthehat

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    No probs mate, glad to have been able to help. :)
     
    redthehat, Dec 15, 2009 IP