Ha'aretz says U.S. officials face 'pro-Israel' background check

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    seems like being pro Israel is the required certificate to be in public office
     
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  2. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    That is correct. To give you a clue, 44% of Americans feel we should openly support Israel, as opposed to 4% who feel the Palestinians should be supported. 88% think Iran is a serious threat to Israel. In US politics, there are always competing points of view and lobbyists pushing those agendas into Washington. Yes, that includes terrorist sympathizers who share your views. Politicians tend to take actions that will get them re-elected, which means they often weigh the positions taken by their potential appointees on various issues and weigh the political impact of those positions against their qualifications.

    Van Jones, green jobs czar, for instance, was just dismissed when his support for an investigation into the Bush administrations involvement in the 911 bombings was publicized. If you are a fan of investigating the Bush Admin, you might write an article saying, "Pro-Bush support used as litmus test for Washington appointees". My point is, Mr. Walt also has a political agenda he is pushing, and given his job title and article publications which are being reviewed in our educational institutions, I'd say he is about as powerful and effective as any lobbyist. That should please you to no end.
     
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    I wonder that why for serving in USA a pro-isreal test is required ? wouldn't be a pro-USA test more appropriate ?

    the person elected should be serving the interests of the State of USA or should he be working for the interests of isreal ?
     
    new, Dec 6, 2009 IP
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    You obviously didn't read the rest of the post. If the UK were at war with Iran, we wouldn't appoint any cabinet member who wasn't pro-UK either.
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    Do you think about, or read the crap you post beforehand? What, was the stealing 25,000 Ukraine children for organs thread not going so well?
     
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    can you please explain that what problem we are having here in this thread ?
    why are you calling FP as crap ?

    what do you have to say about
    "pro-Israel" litmus test that determines who is permitted to serve in the United States government.
     
    new, Dec 6, 2009 IP
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    What are the UK's policies about appointing pro-Hamas people? What are Hamas' policies about appointing pro-Israel people? Why do you concern yourself with US politics at all? It seems a nation that wants to be left alone to beat their women and children and wipe Israel off the map would keep their opinions out of other people's politics and lead by example.
     
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    A similar accusation was put on the israelis a few months ago by a Swedish newspaper... which was conveniently ignored by most of the media, coz the victims were Palestinians..

    Source: http://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/article5691805.ab

    Now, since the victims are Europeans, I hope there will be some justice... Those war criminals and murders will be punished. These atrocities will never be forgotten...
     
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    You are another israel-firster. You don't love America... You are just another bigoted right-winger who has no intellectual honesty or morality...
     
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    LOL, New. "The problem we are having" is it's just another propaganda thread being posted here by Polite to try to cast Jews/Israel in a negative light. The truth is, many times Jewish voters don't even agree on who would be the best candidate, there is certainly not some special Jewish panel who arbitrarily makes the final judgement on who will and won't win public office. There are Jewish special interest groups, and a bunch of other special interest groups - but in the end, the candidate that will win is the one that America votes for. As Obamanation says, "44% of Americans feel we should openly support Israel, as opposed to 4% who feel the Palestinians should be supported."

    The article says, "Every appointee to the American government must endure a thorough background check by the American Jewish community...The story goes on to rehearse what happened to Chas Freeman (whose appointment was derailed by the Israel lobby because he voiced a few mild criticisms of Israel's behavior) and reports that similar complaints are now being raised against the appointment of former Senator Chuck Hagel" to insinuate that it's primarily the Jewish community that checks a candidates background is ridiculous. Every public comment ever made, voting record, even personal life of a candidate is up for scrutiny when they run, and important for all voters in the US.
     
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    Ha. If you want to talk about bigotry, intellectual honesty, morality, to Obamanation try reading what was posted by Polite - and ask yourself if what the article is insinuating is true.
     
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    #12
    I watched a debate a few weeks ago which featured Cynthia Mckinney, she was asked to sign a pledge to Israel and she refused, stating she wanted to read it first.

    Cynthia Mckinney said this "miffed" the guy as he stated all others normally just sign it.

    I can't find the video ATM, but I you look hard enough it's on Youtube.

    She was pissed off by it, as she couldn't believe all USA politicians were being asked to sign a pledge to another country.
     
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    Good article. FYI, the victims are not Europeans, they are allegedly Palestinians. Also, for criminals and murders to be punished, they have to be tried and found guilty. Once again, you've assumed guilt. You are not only beyond the assumption of guilt, you are at the "Atrocities will never be forgotten" phase. You are more than a little premature on this one.

    Here is more information on the article from "A member of the Arab community".
    http://www.menassat.com/?q=en/news-articles/7145-israel-sweden-organs

    That all sounds very fair. You notice there is no assumption of guilt by the author of the article. What piece of evidence do you possess that has allowed you to make that leap?

    I suppose, by reading the article I posted, you might actually get a sense of victory here. Israel has not only gone on the defensive, they are actually attacking the free press(if the arab article is to be believed) to try and get this article out of the news.

    I may be a bigot(yes I put family and country first), but I'm certainly not an "israel firster". What you and the rest have such a hard time grasping is, for America, supporting Israel still beats the alternative. I have a hard time seeing that changing in the foreseeable future.

    From your article:
    I know you would like the US to be outraged and cut ties with Israel, but do you honestly expect us to also cut ties with Turkey Eastern Europe, Latin America, Pakistan, Philippines, and China? Get a grip. The fact you can publish articles like this one, which I find legitimate, and still have western sentiment weigh in heavily with Israel should tell you something about how bad worldwide opinion of your people is. Also, when you try and spin up an article like this by:
    a) Assuming guilt
    b) Assuming Government Complicity
    c) Spinning up the numbers (52 according to your article) to 25,000 children people will find your charges a lot less credible and assume you are just a racist hate monger.
     
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    when some posts like what you did above, it shows the either the person has serious psychological issues (lack of self esteem being one of them ) or he/she is a dishonest zionist
    so, no need to go through rest of the babbling
     
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    So now you are a clinical psychologist? There are many things you find "obvious" that leave the remainder of the civilized world baffled. It is one of the many reasons Gaza remains an impoverished penal colony.
     
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    'obvious' like you find them ;)
     
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    It was not ignored by most of the media.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8213873.stm
    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/08/23/israel.sweden.organ.harvesting/index.html
    http://aljazeera.com/news/articles/34/Swedish-Newspaper-Cleared-over-Israel-Organ-Theft-.html
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1109614.html
    http://www.thelocal.se/22182/20090920/
    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=108224

    it actually got an overwhelming world coverage, most certainly much more than the case would have received if it was not related with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
    According to the paper itself and later interviews with the Swedish reporter, who visited Israel only a month ago, he did not accuse Israel of anything. We just reported the absurd accusations of the Palestinians and "called for an investigation", so you got that wrong too.

    I hope too. The victims are indeed Europeans, including yourself. (or European wannabes, or people who reside in Europe)
    A victim of stupidity that can not even be put to words, if you believe that there is the slightest chance on earth that Israel "imported 25,000 Ukrainian children in the last 2 years for treatment of Israeli patients"
    Justice is already here: the glorious state of Israel is blossoming and all you "freedom fighters" eat your hearts out and develop such insane magnitude of hatred towards it. Its just so fun to see.
     
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    So now you are saying accusing Israel of harvesting the organs of 25,000 children without presenting any evidence to back that claim would be found as racist most people aka "Obvious"? This is fact by the way. You presented the article where the claims were made without evidence.

    Your comparison of this and your non-clinical psychological diagnosis can be chalked up to another thing you find "obvious" which no one else does.
     
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    The only "obvious" thing in this thread is a religiously taught hatred of the Jews.
     
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    of-course haretz must be anti-semite :rolleyes:

     
    new, Dec 8, 2009 IP