Root "Cause" Of Islamic Terrorism

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by yo-yo, Aug 15, 2006.

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Root Cause Of Islamic Terrorism is...?

  1. Islam and The Qur'an Only

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  2. Western Foreign Policy & Actions Only

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  3. Combination of Both

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  4. Other (explain in the thread)

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  1. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #101
    There's poor and uneducated people all over the planet. Mexico, Africa, even every large city in the US.... those people aren't terorrists.

    I'm sorry - but poverty, little education, etc - all contribute to crime, and easy recruits, but they are not causing islamic terrorism.
     
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  2. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #102
    Being a child is subjective. I have one kid your age and one older. While you were breast feeding, I was serving our country for your future right to blame America first.

    Oh, and you're welcome ;)
     
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  3. Alis

    Alis Peon

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    #103
    :confused:oo

    Write a artcile about this let me check at copyscape if its true or not :) lol
     
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  4. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #104
    Oh, I'm so thankful. We all owe you so much for playing the role of GI JOE in the army defending us from "charlie" and all the big bad commies (with the tax payers footing the bill). :rolleyes:
     
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  5. The Webmaster

    The Webmaster IdeasOfOne

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    #105
    Is there any brain doner????
     
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  6. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #106
    Most young angry white males with low IQs these days steal their freedoms off the backs of others. It's refreshing to see you aren't like that.

    Got milk?
     
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  7. Rick_Michael

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    #107
    The term was 'uneducation' (not uneducated) which really isn't a term, but I'm assuming he meant a form of indoctrinating...as it seems to be used in that fashion.

    Ultimately I think we're arguing semantics over a word that doesn't exist.

    Africa has a lot of terrorism, chief. Refer to Algeria, Sudan, et al.
     
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  8. northpointaiki

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    #108
    You know, it's funny. I am about as left on many things as I know. And Gtech, Will, others and I have gone round and round, and most of the time I disagree with them on substantive issues. One thing I will not do, though, is accuse Gtech of playing at anything, most especially playing a role when he was actually putting his ass on the line when he was called to do it. Containment and what it spawned were, in my mind, about as foodlhardy a venture as man has yet conjured up. But the pawns in that game were not toys, and their blood was not some spurious juice; Gtech, my brother, my friends, myself who served - this blood was real, and the service that risked it was not a game. The young boys dying now - they are dying, as surely as the children of Lebanon and Haifa. Their mothers look out into the harrowing dark and cry an eternity for their children, while you and I click-click away on our computers and gaily play grown up games with fatuous speech.

    I can only speak for myself. I despise this president's policies and believe he has wantonly condemned a good many fine young men and women to their needless doom. From my small, ridiculously small part in the armed services, I hold to a bit of what Macarthur once said:

    "... the soldier above all other people prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war."

    -So I cringe whenever this president speaks of "duty, honor, country." But I equally cringe whenever some of my friends from the left (and we are friends) cast flippant words mounted high on nothing - the hollow grasp that yields nothing.

    You can do better. Actually, we all can.
     
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  9. roiei

    roiei Banned

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    #109
    Yo-Yo you need to grow up, you're thinking like 5 years old boy that lives in syria or something. Ohhhhh boy
     
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    #110
    Well said.
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #111
    Who did Gtech put his ass on the line against? What war did Gtech fight in again? :cool:
     
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  12. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #112
    NP, welcome back, brother! I trust the "break" was rewarding to your educational pursuits? I've missed your posts.
     
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  13. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #113
    I fought in no war, but was always prepared to, like millions of others who have served our country, including NP. Other than your own self-interests, what have you served?
     
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    #114
    You know what? I don't mind if people don't like a war, but when they don't care about the troops that fought in the war, or prepared to fight in one, that disgusts me.
     
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    roiei Banned

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    #115
    He could fit hizbualla :p
     
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    #116
    I thought you only got worked up when people "bring Bush into it".
     
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    #117
    I guess someone had to stay at home and clean the bathrooms ;)
     
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    #118
    MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORISTS!


    This question is often hurled at Muslims, either directly or indirectly, during any discussion on religion or world affairs. Muslim stereotypes are perpetuated in every form of the media accompanied by gross misinformation about Islam and Muslims. In fact, such misinformation and false propaganda often leads to discrimination and acts of violence against Muslims.



    A case in point is the anti-Muslim campaign in the American media following the Oklahoma bomb blast, where the press was quick to declare a ‘Middle Eastern conspiracy’ behind the attack. The culprit was later identified as a soldier from the American Armed Forces.



    Let us analyze this allegation of ‘fundamentalism’ and ‘terrorism’:


    1. Definition of the word ‘fundamentalist’

    A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.



    2. Not all ‘fundamentalists’ are the same

    One cannot paint all fundamentalists with the same brush. One cannot categorize all fundamentalists as either good or bad. Such a categorization of any fund amentalist will depend upon the field or activity in which he is a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist robber or thief causes harm to society and is therefore undesirable. A fundamentalist doctor, on the other hand, benefits society and earns much respect.

    3. I am proud to be a Muslim fundamentalist

    I am a fundamentalist Muslim who, by the grace of Allah, knows, follows and strives to practise the fundamentals of Islam. A true Muslim does not shy away from being a fundamentalist.

    I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim because, I know that the fundamentals of Islam are beneficial to humanity and the whole world.

    There is not a single fundamental of Islam that causes harm or is against the interests of the human race as a whole.

    Many people harbour misconceptions about Islam and consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam.

    If one critically analyzes the teachings of Islam with an open mind, one cannot escape the fact that Islam is full of benefits both at the individual and collective levels.

    4. Dictionary meaning of the word ‘fundamentalist’

    According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century.

    It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record.

    It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.

    According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’.

    Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.


    5. Different labels given to the same individual for the same action, i.e. ‘terrorist’ and ‘patriot’

    Before India achieved independence from British rule, some freedom fighters of India who did not subscribe to non-violence were labeled as terrorists by the British government. The same individuals have been lauded by Indians for the same activities and hailed as ‘patriots’. Thus two different labels have been given to the same people for the same set of actions. One is calling him a terrorist while the other is calling him a patriot. Those who believed that Britain had a right to rule over India called these people terrorists, while those who were of the view that Britain had no right to rule India called them patriots and freedom fighters.

    It is therefore important that before a person is judged, he is given a fair hearing. Both sides of the argument should be heard, the situation should be analyzed, and the reason and the intention of the person should be taken into account, and then the person can be judged accordingly.

    6. Islam means peace

    Islam is derived from the word ‘salaam’ which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose fundamentals teach its followers to maintain and promote peace throughout the world.

    Thus every Muslim should be a fundamentalist i.e. he should follow the fundamentals of the Religion of Peace: Islam. He should be a terrorist only towards the antisocial elements in order to promote peace and justice in the society.

    7. Every Muslim a terrorist

    A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim or a believer of any other religion should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified.

    It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim or a religious believer should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.

    REFERENCE: DR. Zakir Naik , terrorism and islam
     
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  19. Blogmaster

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    Hadith 4.92 . It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless ( it be ) by mistake . He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave , and pay the blood money to the family of the slain , unless they remit it as a charity . If he ( the victim ) be of a people hostile unto you , and he is a believer , then ( the penance is ) to set free a believing slave . And if he cometh of a folk between whom and you there is a covenant , then the blood money must be paid unto his folk and ( also ) a believing slave must be set free . And whoso hath not the wherewithal must fast two consecutive months . A penance from Allah . Allah is Knower , Wise .

    QUran is full of terrorist material saying it's not a sin to kill a non believer.
     
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  20. moq

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    #120

    I believe this hadith is from syed bukhari.

    POINT 1:Islam believes in universal brotherhood between muslims.

    POINT 2:If a father has two sons he would always teach his sons to behave
    in a particular way, the way of peace.

    POINT3: And if by mistake some untoward incident happens, he teaches
    them the various ways of conciliation.

    NOW, reffering to the HADITH
    POINT 1: No where in this hadith the word fight is mentioned.

    POINT 2: And thus if a believer (brother) is killed by mistake, whether or not
    he(believer) who has been killed, is a friend or foe does not matter,
    the believers should not fight with each other but should find ways
    out of the trouble.

    POINT 3: Quran always emphasizes that fighting should be the last option,
    it does not matter whether you have to fight a non believer or a
    believer. It never says kill a non-believer (PLEASE READ MY PREVIOUS SECTION), but for a specific reason.

    POINT 4: Quran says if you kill even a single human being it is as if you have killed the whole of humanity.

    ISLAM MEANS PEACE...THE HOLY QURAN IS THE GUIDING LIGHT!
     
    moq, Aug 23, 2006 IP