I don't know anything about the religeon of Islam but I suspect there are enormous societal reasons that have first allowed and then encouraged terrorism and sucide missions against non-muslims (and against other muslims). Much of the Muslim middle east now has a long history of tyrannical despotic governments that restrict human growth. The oil rich countries are primarily controlled and have been controlled by small tyrannies, or kingdoms. They don't spread the wealth. They don't develop mass modern education systems. They don't encourage modernity. Compare the Muslim countries in the Middle East to countries like Japan and South Korea which have developed modern dynamic economies and development that compete across the world with their products and services. China, more recently is competing across the world. India, one of the poorest nations in the world has one of the world's greatest universities and is now leaping across bounds to move into modernity with effective competitive services. On top of the long term tyrannical governments, there are no strong Muslim leaders, governments, or religeous figures that denounce terrrorism. It is ignored by any internal force that would offer alternatives. Muslim's in power have created a system to redirect any complaints against their own governments and ways of being by raising a louder voice against all who aren't muslims. Better to attack "outsiders" than attack the powers to be that restrict human rights. This has been going on for decades, maybe centuries, but it has certainly been the main modus operandi of muslim governments since oil was discovered and oil providers could become wealthy beyond their wildest dreams without having to develop competitive economies. Maybe this is why in the Indian subcontinent, India's economy, education, and people are moving forward and spreading opportunity while Pakistan isn't. 60 years ago this was one large nation with both Hindu's and Muslims. Pakistan separated from India. While India still has a huge Muslim population it is not a Muslim nation and not dominated by this type of government that blames and points the finger outward rather than looking inward for development. When Muslims kill Muslims, leaders of Islam don't protest or speak out. In July, while the war between Hezbollah and Israel went on about 1,000 people died on both sides. At the same time, approximately 3,000 Iraqi's died. Virtually all at the hands of one another as Shiites and Sunni's slaughtered one another. Are Muslim leaders crying out about this. Absolutely not. Since the world of Islam doesn't give a damn when they kill one another or kill non-muslims it is critical for the rest of the world to keep them from at least killing non-muslims...and then help them to keep from killing one another.
There is no such thing called Islamic Terrorisim! Islam is a religoun , no one has the wright to say this " Islamic Teror!" This is rude , I dont understand people ....
And radical islamic people are the ones blowing shit up. Thus, islamic terrorists. Its not really a long reach. When mormons start blowing up planes, they'll be called mormon terrorists too. Instead of complaining about a phrase, try cleaning up the religion
I dont think you dont get this.. Islam - Terorisim is not to be put in a same pocket , because of some islamic people doing terorist actions. For the last 20 years Islam related terorist acts is most known but to let you remember there are not only terorist who are in the religoun in islam . The other religons have also terorist but it doesnt mean Catholic Terorisim or what ever else am I wrong ?
Sorry Alis, but this is something you *must* understand. I have nothing against Muslims, or any religion in part, but truth is, those people ARE Islamic over in the middle east, blowing things up including themselves. They are not the normal religious people (not all Muslims are bad), only the extermists (the ones that take their religion TOO seriously, I believe, and take it out of proportion) are the violent ones. Islam is a peaceful religion, yes, but there are extremists that belong to the religion.
http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/ThomasSowell/2006/08/22/point_of_no_return Great column from Thomas Sowell today:
Sure, although someone has already done a much better job than I could. It's an interesting read. Let me know your thoughts.
Thanks Gtech , interesting thread ; Well Im from Turkey , Turkish culture 99% is muslim. But there is a difference then other muslim countries mostly that Turkey is a republic kind of goverment. There is a fact that there is chain between muslim countries , What ever they do (wrong or wright) people start to protect each other. But they are fools. There is fact that most muslims countries dislike Jewish people I accept that because muslim countries are low educated rather to other countries, Muslim fight with muslim Muslim kill other muslim and dont care, The Ottoman empire once controlled all the middle east and some of europe. But you know what ? Araps kicked the muslim Ottoman Empire with making arangements with Great Britain. But there is one thing i became offensive that i lived In the States. 5 years ago durring the terorist act done by muslims in the world trade center every muslim was thougt terorists. Im a women working at a very big company in those days, but after that terorist act the company fired me because i was a muslim.. Many people where fired and full filled by other american people.. After this I came more offensive then i used to maybe some could understand me maybe some dont. But I know what is True , whats not. I accept that there are terorists in Muslim society.But i offend that not all muslims are like this. I was upset when President Bush said these words on those days "This war is a war Against Muslims - Christians" that made me sad... and very unhappy. In 1991 I was in Kuwait in the gulf war i was living there.. I saw the war , i saw the bombs bombing my neighbours house. etc.. Again thanks for the thread learned something today.
He claims the root reason for islamic terrorism is "Jealousy, Poverty, Uneducation and Funds flowing for terrorism" We all know bin laden has/had plenty of money and an education. So unless for some reason you think he had a reason to be jealous.... it pretty much throws his entire answer out the door as the root cause, does it not?
Turkey is a beautiful country. I would love to visit it someday, but for now, what I've seen of it is on travel related channels here. Regarding your post, I'll pick a few things to discusss: There were concerted efforts by not only the usual suspects with the likes of CAIR, but our own government here towards an anti-muslim backlash. So much so, that I remember thinking "good gawd, the victims are those killed on the flights." So I disagree with you there. This was the point where I started studying islam. The cognitive dissonance that suggests islam is "peace and tolerance" as had been improperly proclaimed here for years (and I admit, back then I reluctantly fell into that crowd) when actions like 9/11 occur did not mesh. That "wake up call" that we "Americans" were supposed to receive...well, I received it Still (not the best example, since I believe it is against the law to be Christian in Saudi Arabia), if white Christian males flew planes into buildings in Saudi Arabia, white Christians would certainly be the subject of more than just scrutiny. That pretty much goes for anywhere in the middle east. Think about it, objectively. I don't recall things like this at all. Not saying it didn't happen, but you would have had a hell of a lawsuit were this the case. And believe me, anti-American entities like the ACLU would have scored you millions of dollars. This a common misperception and/or tactic used by some. In essence, no one is actually arguing that *all* are of a particular nature, but to portray a victim role, some will use this strategy, even though there is no need for it. *All* is not a common denominator to recognize a problem. For example, we do not wait till *all* have cancer before finding a cure. We do not wait till *all* have aids before taking preventative measures. *All* simply isn't an acceptable excuse to sweep what is happening courtesy of islam, under the carpet. Those days are long gone. Though there are some that still make excuses for it, it's not so easy anymore.
No, he's jealous of us because of our power. If he had this power we have now (with our nukes and resources and stuff), he'd be a much happier and definitely dangerous man. I can't believe you're defending him! Good guys: "He's jealous of us, an evil man that is jealous and will do what it takes to kill us!" Yo-yo: "He's not jealous, and he's not trying to kill us. Duh... it was a conspiracy by the government, this whole war is, we have no enemies in the middle east! Well, we DIDN'T, at least. You know that because of that we can't allow us to intercept their communications by letting them listen to us... geez." See? I can see both sides of the issue. Now who here is less treasonous?
He was speaking of it as a widespread cause, not subject specific. I'm sure there are many cases where ones offend by US policy or they're effected by it....but if you take a greater look of the circumstance, you'll find that these people were indoctrinated at young age (and this is much higher factor in their rationalization of such actions). Bin Laden was taught of the violent jihad methods at the age of 14, and that had an incredible influence on him. Since the centralization of oil in the mid-east, there's been an extensive growth of extreme thought being funded by oil rich countries ie what Bin Laden was influenced by. Webmaster calls it 'uneducation', I believe. Of coarse this is not restricted to the middle-east, as it's funding throughout the world. So I would disagree with your accessment.
I suggest it has nothing to do with poverty at all. I'd have to look it up, but I've previously posted last year a lengthy study that showed terrorists were actually recruited from well educated, middle to upper middle class families. Such as the London bombers. One had recently received a brand new Mercedes Benz. As long as there are clerics making promises of little virgin girls to young muslim men in exchange for taking the lives of others, we will have this problem. Take away the virgins and you take away the incentive. Reinforce that "martyrdom" is suicide and suicide is a first class ticket to hell, and you'll help curb the problem. Stop teaching kids that killing others in the "cause of Allah" is acceptable and teaching little kids to hate Jews, and you help curb the problem.
Gtech , thats a very good report of yours. Legal suit issue, well i was afraid i was alone.. I didnt mind money or my job. Muslims where kidnapped , as a women god knows what would happen to me.. Yeah your correct.. Your invited to Turkey thoe be my Guest . I wont bite you "cause im a muslim" just kidding.