I just got duped by a "reputable" member on DP -$600

Not to be a whiny but he scammed $600 off of me and Paypal sided to her favor because supposedly the item was "digital".

I'm very frustrated, what should I do? Any help would be appreciated.

His username is Helvetii.

He basically ripped the method from Adsensepayback.com and wrote a super generic version of it that doesn't work at all. You can judge the ebook here:

The method is basically teaching you how to steal from good honest Adwords advertisers. I wasn't told about this as you can see in his auctions:
1. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=1570621

Please let me know what to do, I still haven't left him a feedback.

Thanks for all the help.
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Well anything that's too good to be true is always way too good to be true. Clearly you knew it involved some blackhat method cause how else could you earn that much in that amount of time?

 

I have no problem with Blackhat methods but I was under the impression it would be involving massive BL's building, legit traffic, not stealing from advertisers..

I'm not using the ebook I'm asking for the seller to refund me back.. hopefully he'll come thru.

 

So were you scammed, duped or was it simply NOT what you thought it was?

What about the feedback received from others? What are their thoughts on this?

 

I'm not judging others but I guess they just haven't realized that what they're doing is actually 100% stealing from other advertisers (you and me, people that use Adwords). I too wasn't aware of this (imagine spending $600 for a method, you're just too anxious to get it to work).

I was a little suspicious when I first bought the item because the seller insisted that I left him a feedback immediately, I said to wait till I figure the shyt out when I realize that the whole thing was bogus.

The method practiced in the ebook is not only ILLEGAL, but highly unethical to say the least.

I don't know where to turn.

 

Helvetii is Indian

 

so what ? don't post unrelated info

Osama is a Muslim , does that mean all Muslims are terrorists ?

 

ask for refund from paypal as soon as you can, before she get the money out from paypal,it works well.

 

I did, Paypal didn't honor the refund because it was a digital product.

Whatever whatever, lesson learned I guess.

 

Sorry but I think his Paypal account was US-based.

 

I think it was clearly mentioned that the method is blackhat, and also that it was dealing with Adsense arbitrage. So, it seems you didn't have a close look at the actual method, and bought it in hurry. I personally wanted to buy it, but it was too costly for me, and of course I find it hard to use a blackhat method myself.

I was also scammed recently, from some other "reputable" member. Never buy ANY blackhat/grayhat method if you believe in morals. Most of the stuff people selling here as ebooks are stolen from blackhatworld.com forum (I am NOT talking about Helvetii).

A lesson learned, indeed.

 

The only thing I can is leave her a negative iTrader but I will wait till he got back to me.

AdSense arbitrage is not illegal if you have high quality content, most people do PPC ads etc but he buy traffic from trek that purposely pay them to click. Sigh..

 

this is the second thread you started in regards to Helvetii being a scam.
what i find interesting is that Helvetii hasn't responded to either thread.

an innocent person would attempt to defend themselves, Helvetii hasn't said one word in their defense.

and you haven't left a negative iTrader, seems the thing to do under the circumstances.

 

That's no reason.

Exactly that. Regarding other buyers the only issue was that 3 of them (Out of 40+) got banned. They might have been unlucky or done something wrong.

Please give your references. Name any Act/law in US or even Malaysia which says that buying traffic to click ads is illegal.

You are correct.

Adsense arbitrage in any way or form is not "illegal", it's unethical and "always" violates Adsense TOS, so it's BH either way.

If you visit the premium forums (or read Pm's) , you would know why I didn't reply to the earlier thread,(now deleted) and I just came across this thread.

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Yes, It's stealing!
But isn't everything which is Blackhat theft? Alwiser says that he's okay with Blackhat but not with unethical things. This is kind of contradictory. If you are earning using Blackhat ways then you are earning money which you wouldn't have earned if you did things the whitehat way according to rules. So you are stealing from honest players in that case. Take examples of other BH things, say Cookie stuffing or hiding ads behind videos or paying people at mturk to complete CPA forms, or even BH SEO, in that case you are stealing SERP's from whitehat webmasters! Isn't everything Blackhat stealing? Alwiser is clearly trying to scam me or suffering from serious buyers remorse, in which case he needs to consult a psychiatrist.


Is this the way you request a refund?- The Truth

Alwiser got the site and the coaching, utilized the Email/IM support I offered to make the method work, asked me for a positive itrader and then did a Paypal dispute and shared the Training manual on Docstoc and posted the link all over the forum (now deleted) to make some bucks from docstock. Then threatened me further and made several threads/posts about me being a scamster and got my PayPal account limited. He hardly waits for 1-10 hours after he sends an email before assuming that I ignored it.

Am I wrong?
Am I? I sold a site which would make $1000/month using blackhat methods with a certain degree of risks and that is what I delivered. I'm still willing to work things out but the buyer wants to take everything in the public domain, accuse me, threaten me and not co-operate. What can I do?
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I have been affected as well although Helvetti is working with me on this issue and has agreed to work with me.

 

I'm sorry Helvetii but that was one of the most damaging posts you could possibly have made 'Yes, It's stealing' isn't really the best way to defend yourself.

 

What I said was that everything which is Blackhat is stealing/theft in one way or the other and the buyer was aware of it and can therefore not use it as an excuse. Not defending my self with that bit, just being honest about things.

No one likes unhappy customers. I am always willing to help/compromise if the other party behaves in an acceptable manner. Unfortunately alwiser doesn't realize the responsibilities of a buyer. Ignorance is never an excuse.

 

Things are being worked out with seller. Will update in a bit. Thanks for the support DP!

Hope things will go as planned.

 

Interesting thread.

I have been involved in Helvetii's system for a few weeks now. I was under no illusion that it was blackhat/"unethical" and Helvetii always answered my questions frankly and as simply as possible.

Yes I know where to get the method for free and I know I paid a weeks wages for something that I could have gotten mostly for free. However, in no way did Helvetii rip me off, nor does he fail to deliver on the support he offers, so I do not regret my purchase and I would do so again. Also, perhaps there is a misunderstanding as to what blackhat is. Maybe people have watched too many movies and seen too many "hero hackers"

Blackhat is blackhat, whitehat is whitehat and greyhat is blackhat by sissies with overactive consciences.

 

The thing is he wouldn't refund his unsatisfied customers. Is that how good businesses are run?

People wouldn't have been misled if only he put "this involves paying other people to click on your adsense" in the thread.

If you wanna steal from advertisers, do it by all means and get your whole country banned from the program but tricking other people into paying $600 for something as valuable as a peanut, followed up by forcing your customers to leave you feedbacks and fake testimonials to lure other victims is simply pathetic.

Get a job!