Your condescending remarks are duly noted. It's not about numbers, it's about common sense..Of course there will be people (since I made the mistake of referring to them as criminals last time) that have been wrongly convicted. What I'm saying, and I'm going to try to simplify it the most I can, is that the majority (you call it 51%-49%) of the people being killed on death row are actual criminals, and yes, I'm alright with that. In reality, I can assure you it's much more than just "51%", although I have no solid proof but the reality is that with the justice system being as flawed as it is, it is impossible to weed out those that are innocent. Call me an animal, IDGAF. So, yes, in fact, I have acknowledged that "even a single innocent person being put to death by our "justice" system" and have come to terms with it. In defense of our country, as in, to save lives, people die right? Quite the catch-22? That's the world we live in. How about the innocent people who are being killed by criminals? If you want a world where "only guilty people" are killed, then buy the Sims 3 buddy..or take a nap, dreamland is only a bed away.
Oh, and just for kicks. 130 innocent as compared to 3,305 currently on Death row. That's less than .04 percent of leeway there -- much more than 51%-49%. Here's my source:
So it's OK to kill innocent people because criminals do it? I suppose I have a higher standard for our society than you do. That's 4% not .04 percent. In other words that's 1 in 25. And those are just the ones that have been proven to be wrongly convicted, it would be crazy to think that's all of them. Even if we do make the assumption that 1 in 25 is the ratio of wrongly convicted people on death row, that's a significant fraction. Certainly this is not the perfect legal system that you made it out to be. It's unjust for a society to risk putting innocent people to death. We are better to advance as a people and ban the death penalty for good.
~ Jesus did not die on the cross, he was crucified - those who call themselves Christians must bring to justice those who persecuted him and for allowing for the event to occur in the first place without recourse. They needn't bother with there written text as for them it is meaningless. ~ As a sequel for this thread, the death of Jesus Christ an Innocent victim executed by consent is a primary example of dysfunctional capital punishment.
Maybe if you just tell us who you think we need to punish, make it clear who is responsible for his death and is still alive today. Please use names if possible, but give us something, since you obviously know who crucified Jesus.
| | | V When did I say the legal system was perfect? I remember saying, in this thread specifically, that it is not perfect at ALL. My mistake, it is 4%, which means that 96% of the people on death row deserve to be there. "It's unjust for a society to risk putting innocent people to death..."......again, I reiterate, what about the innocent people that are being put to death DAILY on the street, my family being an example and me being living proof of an attempt? You wrongfully state your opinions as if they were facts, and that's not the truth because everyone is entitled to their own. So don't say it's unjust only because you feel that way; specify that you think it is.
No that's impossible, even if 96% was the remainder. 96% is what's left after some prove their innocence, cases takes years to come to appeal or for evidence to be found, but they are still innocent (even if found guilty). Is the death penalty saving them? will having the death penalty tonight save someone from being shot? Would you like to be one of the innocents on deathrow? really think about that for a minute. Then think how would that be any different to what you went through? Fellow prisoners/friends whom you have know for 5, 10, 20 years (your nearest to family) being killed around you, whilst you await your turn? Throwing killers in jail for life is not nice, trust me they suffer more than being in a box.
I suppose you have personal experience, so you would know more than most everyone else. Maybe you can explain it in a way that the ignorant would understand what it is like to be locked up. Quite often the testimony of a person who has experienced a situation can do more to educate the ignorant than arguing from the outside.
If you actually could "think" and "empathise", then you wouldn't need to ask such nonsense just get your head out that bible. So what's it like having an imaginary friend? educate me.
~ Of course volumes over the course of history could be written about the accomplices who through time have kept alive and insure the continuance of the persecution of Jesus Christ through proxy all those who have been likewise persecuted for the same deeds as endeared Jesus to God in the first place i.e. they have not been brought to justice and run rampant in our society. ~ Unlike Christians who look forwards by their teachings to an Armageddon which is the triumph of evil, the Edenist search for the triumph of good which can only be accomplished through the rectification of events that reoccur in the continuance of Jesus's persecution. - And might add putting to death innocent people on death row to justify getting the rest of the bad ones is indeed a seed worthy of the prosecutors who must themselves be destroyed.
So you refuse to tell us who these people are, just ramble more. So I will assume that you cover everyone who has ever lived on the earth except for you and a couple of others who are living in eden somewhere. When will the punch be served?
What is it with you? Every time someone disagrees with you, you call them a Jew, Christian or say something about the Bible. You seem to be very narrow minded. Sorry, I think you were talking to yourself again.
Your religious, so... you should know who killed him for his crime. Speaking of which I just sat on my invisible pet dog Then don't talk condescendingly to me, if you don't like it back. Source? none will come, typical liar. Please link to me saying "Your a Jew" or "Your a Christian" as an insult to anyone. And yes, I will show "Christian" articles about 'priests that rape their disabled daughter', particularly in threads where you, or another Christian posts the equivalent about a Muslim/Jew and tries to make out that's how Muslims/Jews are, I use your/their logic to say it's a "religious problem" like you do to Muslims, it's highlighting double standards. Besides I have no trouble pointing out how bad you all are, as I'm an atheist. You on the other hand demonization an whole group because of bigoted views, I just truly think religion is nonsense nothing more nothing less. And when you have done thread hijacking, then take your bible to another thread.
~ Most notably the followers of the Christian bible and other text based religions constrained by their limited resources and preferences than those progressing to the truth through search to reach salvation. ~ The persecutors of the Spanish inquisition etc. are linages to this day revolving around the same inquisition of Jesus and is a referendum against written texts for the pursuit of salvation as in most cases the texts have been the vehicles for violence.
ironically enough most atheists would say if the event did occur and had they been there they would have done everything possible to stop it It's only these so called "Christians" who revel in what is essentially scapegoating with a human saccrifice. I'm hard pressed to think of anything more revolting than thinking that someone else being tortured to death for someone elses wrongdoings is in any way a good thing, let alone a "gift" I should be greatful for. Even if it did happen, which it almost certainly didn't, it's not something I asked for, it's not something I want and I resent nei h threatened with eternal torture for not accepting it. I'll take responsibility for my own actions, it's what grown ups do.
"Not nice"? Seriously? You must be a pre-k teacher or something. What a dumb ass statement "They suffer more than being in a box."..killers in jail get to work out, play basketball, have friends, breathe, eat, watch television, read, go to church (if they're religious), have jobs, and see FAMILY MEMBERS WHO GO VISIT THEM. I can't see my brother in law because he's DEAD. So how is he suffering less, when he can't feel anything anymore? At least those people on death row, whether guilty or not, know when their death is coming, and can prepare for it. They get to have a last meal, they get to pick their last words. My brother in law couldn't do any of that. So that's how it's different..SMH. I wouldn't like to be an innocent on death row, no, but I can bet that EVERY SINGLE person on death row is guilty of something; nobody just becomes suspected of murder and rape and is just thrown in jail because it's Monday or because the judge is on her period. So, really, what is it then? Now it's not nice to kill criminals or lock them up for life? In another one of your posts on this very same topic but a different thread (LINK TO POST) you agreed with the use of capital punishment in clear-cut cases of murder -- which is what I said previously, numerously in this thread. So.....
Discussions about the US Criminal [in]Justice System are always amusing. They have a way of revealing cultural shizophrenia like few others. Our system is not based on justice. It is based on retribution. "Retributive Justice" is as oxymoronic as "Military Intelligence". There may, in some very few cases, be a rational argument for putting some one to death (not sure I have heard it though). "He deserves what he gave his victims," is hardly a rational argument. But, vengeance is as ingrained in our culture as any number of twisted definitions of "freedom" or "liberty". A wonderful example of the attitudes that fuel retributive justice. Question - Do we incarcerate people for punishment, or as punishment? There really is a difference...
Yeah, who cares if they're guilty or not, they should just be happy that they're better than the guy they're convicted of killing(whether they did it or not). On a non-sarcastic note, sorry for your loss.