~ Might consider the full physical presence the source of consciousness - more than science is required to know the Garden and like everything else is more than welcome.
Well it isn't. It's manufactured and originates in the brain and the brain alone. The "source" of the brain is evolution. Let me guess, god is the "source" of evolution now? I love how with every answer your pathetic little incompetant god gets relegated to more and more obscure regions.
And "I love" just how that which you believe, "evolution", always evolves downward. . .but never upwards, huh???
~ Ours is the same God as Christians but we are not Christians - Evolution within the Garden is for us to understand and our understanding is that changes during life is life itself...all hail our Creator. ~ The discovery of the brain by science leads to further understandings but without final knowledge of its purpose and really do not consider it relevant will continue our belief in the physical presence as a whole and its purpose as the sustenance of our being.
Nehamunaunanyy, there is no upwards or downwards in evolution, you are thinking of entropy, which does not even slightly apply to evolution, it applies to isolated systems. So have another go and lets see how badly you can humiliate yourself this time through your inability to even remotely understand simple concepts. Breeze, dont fall in to the trap of continuously relegating your god to more and more obscure places. What inevatibly happens is the theists claim god is the cause, then when a natural cause is explained to them they claim god is the cause of the cause, ad-infinitum. It's incredibly disingenuous and paints your god as some kind of inconsequential no-mark.
Just wanted to get this on record before I, once again, pimp slap a monkey's. . .horizontal---sibling.
Nehemiah, Breeze wood, I have a once in a life time offer for you. for just 19.99$, you can save your soul. http://www.dummies.com/store/product/Evolution-For-Dummies.productCd-0470117737.html that's much less than you would spend on "god" in your lifetime . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkVtgD2R8M
ChaosTrivia, why would/should I pay "19.99$" for my "soul (the real and everlasting me)" to be saved, when JESUS CHRIST has already done so. . .and HE did so at no charge to me. . .as in, FOR FREE? Do you "ats/ags" think these in-serts out before hurling them???
May be in himself? and not in a paperback book? Did you actually consider the fact, that some people do not need a book to get moral guidance from nor have beliefs? Some people have it "built-in" (if you want to call it that). Using your logic: that everything was made by god etc etc etc, then you would have to admit those with the moral codes "in-built" are built better by god than you?
I stated "HIS WORD". . .I mentioned nothing about "a book". . .did I? Do you fellows ("ats/ags") think before you try and make GOD'S Kids look bad???
So when did God he speak to you, yesterday, last year, 10 years ago? Did you hear (proper sense of the word) him?
- God is not the Creator, claims academic ~ The above is a reference to a book.....the Garden is interpreted best by being within it and its creation is the physical presence of the Creator.
I greatly esteem the views of everybody but for me God will always be my Lord. I have faith that God is the creator.
Nehemiah, what we have here is not a complex matter of faith or you truly believing in your got, but rather a very simple matter of a process you have gradually underwent called cognitive dissonance. As more and more people present to you logical or scientifically supported statements, you will always resent the so called naysayer and invent some additional excuse to override whatever logic was presented to you. Over time, the waves of people who have sided against your kind of logic has caused you to solidify your foolish beliefs, actions, and ideas. You have begun a slide down the pyramid. You have underwent cognitive dissonance. When people are presented with empirical evidence that defies what they believe in or their way of thinking, the egotistical man will virtually never, and I swear to whatever non-existent god you believe in, never say "I was so, horribly, terribly mistakenly wrong.". Instead, they will quite literally experience dissonance, and immediately cover their own eyes and minds with a thick blanket of wool, and completely ignore any conflicting evidence. Why do people do that? Your belief: There is a god. I believe in him. Conflictive belief: There is no god. Logic X, support statement Y, evidence Z. Your brain will experience dissonance and feelings of discomfort until such sincerely different points of view have been resolved. As a result, you will shut out any logic and reasoning pertaining to the defiance of your beliefs and ideas, and what may seem perfectly logical and smart to you, it is completely foolish in the eyes of someone who does not have any bias in the matter, or any dissonance to resolve regarding the issue. It's been quite tiring reading your posts that preach your so-wonderful god, but in the end, any time you are asked a straight question you completely ignore it and reply with something almost, but not quite entirely unrelated to the initial topic. In your eyes, that unrelated statement or question would be defense on your part, but in almost everyone else's mind, completely and utterly foolish. This process of cognitive dissonance is common, and makes people remember things they have never done. People have been abducted by aliens, committed crimes they did not commit (and even with DNA evidence to reject such confessions, people are sincere they are the ones who did the crime. ridiculous.), and voted for presidents and political offices they did not actually vote for (If you voted for person A, and person B won, your mind will make you believe you voted for person B to resolve the dissonance. I can see it -- I can feel it, you're just swirling with dissonance. Here comes your religious remark about your god, deity, or whatever you'd like to call it with an almost, but not entirely, unrelated comment. Please, save us all the sweat and resolve your dissonance, them converse with the community in a way that is logical and, by all means, scientific. When you say your god or creator made everything, or did this and that, you are not saying it in a way that allows for a different theory or explanation to be introduced. That very fact alone makes your statements unscientific. Science is ultimately arrogance control, because you must state your claims in a way that allows for other theories etc. to offer another explanation. Even simple laws like gravity and such are only laws -- and science will openly accept another theory that better explains gravity. However, a god is a final, ultimate explanation with no support, logic, evidence, or reason, and is a way to explain something without room for another theory. Mankind has never proceeded well explaining things unscientifically. Make steps to improve your life now, and to start doing things scientifically. Remember, religion flies you into buildings, science flies you to the moon.
~ During a world war scientist introduced and used an Atom bomb that today threatens all creatures and sustenance of our Garden. Your diatribe above is no less insulting than suggesting a tree has no need for its roots.