Israeli spies carrying out 'racial profiling' at International Airports

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by new, Nov 23, 2009.

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    South Africa deported an Israeli airline official last week following allegations that Israel’s secret police, the Shin Bet, had infiltrated Johannesburg international airport in an effort to gather information on South African citizens, particularly black and Muslim travellers.
    The move by the South African government followed an investigation by local TV showing an undercover reporter being illegally interrogated by an official with El Al, Israel’s national carrier, in a public area of Johannesburg’s OR Tambo airport.
    The programme also featured testimony from Jonathan Garb, a former El Al guard, who claimed that the airline company had been a front for the Shin Bet in South Africa for many years.

    Of the footage of the undercover reporter’s questioning, he commented: “Here is a secret service operating above the law in South Africa. We pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. We do exactly what we want. The local authorities do not know what we are doing.”

    They have also been confirmed by human rights groups in Israel, which report that Israeli security staff are carrying out racial profiling at many airports around the world, apparently out of sight of local authorities.


    Mr Garb and two other fired workers have told the South African media that Shin Bet agents routinely detain Muslim and black passengers, we are profiling people racially, ethnically and even on religious grounds … This is what we do.
    Mr Garb went public after he was dismissed over a campaign he led for better pay and medical benefits for El Al staff.

    A South African Jew, he said he was recruited 19 years ago by the Shin Bet. “We were trained at a secret camp [in Israel] where they train Israeli special forces and they train you how to use handguns, submachine guns and in unarmed combat.”

    Mr Garb claimed to have profiled 40,000 people for Israel over the past 20 years, including recently Virginia Tilley, a Middle East expert who is the chief researcher at South Africa’s Human Sciences Research Council. The think tank recently published a report accusing Israel of apartheid and colonialism in the Palestinian territories.

    “The decision was she should be checked in the harshest way because of her connections,” Mr Garb said.
    Ms Tilley confirmed that she had been detained at the airport by El Al staff and separated from her luggage. Mr Garb said that during this period an agent “photo-copied all [her] documentation and then he forwarded it on to Israel” – Mr Garb believes for use by the Shin Bet.
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    http://www.gantdaily.com/news/36/ARTICLE/65920/2009-11-23.html
    http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091123/FOREIGN/711229870/1140
     
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  2. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Bravo! They must be doing something right. Palestine has been trying to bomb and hi-jack El Al flights since the 60s and haven't successfully done so since 1970. If the world would take a page out of Israel's handbook, I probably wouldn't have to take off my shoes every time I fly, just because some ratbag Palestinian has a death wish.
     
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  3. new

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    yeah ,, they are the chosen ones, they are above the law, they own the world., they can do whatever they want at any place in world :rolleyes:

    how do you justify doing such things at soil of another sovereign state which in this case was SA?
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    The same way you justify killing innocent civilian women and children to make a political statement. The difference is, these actions are prevention of the actions you support.
     
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  5. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    Is it right to treat everyone, especially every muslim like a terrorist ? Who gave the right to israelis to gather information of ppls around the world ?

    err.. I forgot that they are the "choosen ones"
     
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  6. new

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    here I see that only one justifying the breaking of all international standards and laws is you

    at ziya
    it is not only about racial profiling Against Blacks and Muslims, they , the isrealis. are carrying undercover espionage operations at soils of other countries!
     
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    Why I can't find this story on even a single credible news source?
    AP? AFP? Reuters? CNN? FOX? BBC? Der Spiegel? NZZ.ch? Die Zeit? Australia? Austria? France? Russia? Sweden? Israel? not even on Al-Jazeera or Al-Arabia or the other semi-credible Arab sources.
    .......
    Can anybody find this story on a credible source?
    Or is this another fail by new of the George Washington class?
     
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  8. new

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    Does it even matter for you ? from wherever it comes of-course whatever isreal does it always right ?
    have you ever admitted that isreal is at fault ? even if it comes from BBC or CNN ? NO

    anyway here is ynet from isreal saying the same
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3808129,00.html


    and here is Al-Jazreea .. since you were missing it so much
    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/11/20091124125219472863.html
    so what do you have to say now ? isreal carrying out covert spy operations in other countries ? that must be right ?
     
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  9. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    South AFrica TV should upload the video online

    [​IMG]
    (Hidden camera of a man on left who claims to a TV reporter right, to be an Airport security personal, which turns out to be an employee from Israel)
     
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    What???? Muslim guys are more likely to want to bring down Israeli planes?? Oh my god. Those racist Israelis.

    So what that all 4 Israeli aircraft that was hijacked until these security measures were introduced couple of decades ago we all done by muslims? u're right new. Maybe the next aircraft will be hijacked by Tibetan monks. Those racist Israelis.

    I find this "no-news" article to be very amusing. Every El - Al security guard is a secret agent.... lol

    LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !
    I guess you didn't fly El-Al yet, didn't you?
    They question every body. Even if he looks the most jewish on the planet.
    Every single passanger gets a 2 to 15 minutes talk before going on the plane. Every one.
    Actually once they almost didn't let me get on the plane after I told the guys: "would you stop harassing me with all those bitching stupid questions? can't you see that I'm from the home team?" I had to brag about my 6 years military service to make them stop asking me all these annoying questions. I fly once a month and they ask me the same damn questions over and over again. ;)

    Too bad that the Americans didn't do just that: this way we wouldn't have had 9/11.

    The attempts to demonize Israel at any cost are just too funny.
    The Israeli newspaper didn't say anything about "secret agents".
    Even al-jazeera put the word spy in quotes.

    and you arrived at "covert spy operations in other countries"...... ;) lol
    Israelis are smart people, new. The real spies don't work a second shift at the airport to improve their salaries....

    What's the next article u'll find for us new? Two Israelis were found in Copenhagen pissing on gharqad trees?

    ....
    LOL
    This is just too funny
     
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  11. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    here I found a video : Spy

    But I have not watched it yet
     
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    and this did not come before your eyes

    do you think the SA govt just deported the agent out of fun without any reason? or are they anti-semite ?


    I wonder why don't they take this security at their home rather than doing espionage in other countries ?

    no problem, you can just lol away, as I expected the security guard was just making up stuff to discredit the glorious empire of isreal
     
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    Not an accurate description of profiling. Profiling, racial or otherwise, is a technique used by every law enforcement agency on the planet to catch criminals. It uses the process of elimination to maximize the effectiveness of the limited resources available to catch criminals. In other words, an 80 year old white woman may, in fact, try to hijack an airplane and weaponize it. Given the odds, to focus law enforcement resources equally on 80 year old white woman as, lets say, 18-30 year old Muslim males would be IDIOTIC, and I'm sure you would love that.

    I salute Israel for having the balls to be politically incorrect enough to be effective at what they do, and I REALLY do wish the powers in America could take a page out of their book.


    You think Israel is the only country that does this? I've got a bridge in New York to sell you if that is the case. Espionage and Intelligence gathering agencies are part of every last country on this planet. That Israel uses those agencies to keep their citizens safe is, again, respectable.

    You've made many posts sympathizing and justifying the 911 actions. What you fail to get through your head is, without such actions, these other activities would not be necessary. AKA, you brought it on yourself.

    You sympathize with the burglar who breaks a leg while sneaking around someone's house in the dark, blaming the home owner for an unsafe stairwell. I certainly don't believe the Jews are the "Chosen ones" but in a strange way, they are a form of natural selection for people who think as you.
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    No shit... :eek:
     
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    The very 1st line of aj-jazeeria article is
    the same was also quoted by in last post , Need some English Lessons ? do start with synonyms and antonyms
     
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    oh, in the title its the quotes.
    in the text its allegations that....

    Unlike you (?), English is not my mother tongue, yet it seems that I could teach you some lessons EVEN in English.

    new, if you care about the Muslims and the Palestinians, I suggest you quit this forum.
    Every post you write makes their case look worse.
     
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    Funny that you don't see these two complaining when Syria assasinates not one but many Lebanese politicians. Somehow, Israel keeping their airlines safe is an offense of some weight.

    http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/739533/key_lebanese_politician_assassinated/index.html
    http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/06/syroiranian_massacre_of_lebane.php
    http://www.beirutbeltway.com/beirutbeltway/2006/11/syria_to_kill_3.html

    They would probably also deny Palestinians have spies inside of Israel working at overthrowing the government. No No, lets focus on the "alleged" activities of the Israeli secret police trying to keep flights safe. That is something that, if it is ocuring, must stop IMMEDIATELY!
     
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    even when they talked about Khalid Shekh it is said 'alleged to have'
    unless one is convicted by a court, everything is alleged .. I hope you understand this :rolleyes:

    and If you want to say that the allegations were baseless than why did SA threw the agent out ?


    not mine

    great, looks worse to you, it means my posts are just fine
     
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    Obamanation, so you justify israel spying ? Is there international law giving them such right ?( Spying )
     
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    You guys make a cute couple.
     
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