Who Is The Guilty In The War

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by bashavi, Aug 21, 2006.

  1. #1
    ועד רבני יש"ע: לא להימנע מפגיעה בנשים וילדים

    בתוך כך פרסם היום ועד רבני יש"ע, כי "ה"חיסכון בחיי אדם" אצל אזרחי אויב גורם לפגיעה בחיי אדם אצל יהודים חפים מפשע תושבי ישראל". הרבנים קוראים שלא לחשוש מפגיעה בילדים ונשים שאינם בגדר אויב לוחם. "כבר אמרו חז"ל 'המרחם על אכזרים סופו להתאכזר לרחמנים'. המרחם על ילדי עזה מתאכזר לילדי שדרות. המרחם על ילדי לבנון מתאכזר לילדי הצפון", לשון ההודעה.

    הרבנים אומרים כי האליטה התקשורתית-משפטית מחדירה "מוסר נוצרי" למערכת קבלת ההחלטות בשלטון ולמערכת הביטחון. "'מוסר נוצרי' זה יוצר חסם בהגנה על יהודים בשדרות וצפון הארץ ובכל מקום בישראל. טיפול נקודתי-סיכול ממוקד הוא עדיף, אך אם אינו אפשרי - אין לסכן חיילים בכניסה קרקעית לעזה וללבנון, לאחר שיצאנו משם בהבטחות שווא שלטוניות שלא נחזור לשם ושהביטחון רק יגבר אם אך נגרש יהודים מבתיהם".

    ועד רבני יש"ע מצדד בפעולה אווירית לצורך הגנה וחיסול האוייב על פני פעולה קרקעית "העלולה לסכן חיי חיילינו גם אם עלולים להיהרג אחרים. חייך קודמים לחיי אויבך".

    בסיכום הודעת הוועד נקראה הממשלה להתעשת ולהורות לצה"ל לפגוע באויב ובתומכיו באוכלוסיה האזרחית - "על-פי המוסר היהודי האמיתי".

    to pp who can't read hebrew here is the translation:

    The west bank council of rabbis,in a recent edict, called for the killing of civilians among the enemy,since mercy will have harmful effect on the lives of innocent jewish residents of israel
    The rabbis called on israelis to have no fear of killing innocent children and women,even those who cannot be counted among the enemy fighters. they referred to their predecessors as saying that he who has mercy for the enemy whose heart is cruel will meet with a disgraceful fate , adding that he who weeps for the children of gaza has a cruel heart for the children of the sidrot settelment and he who weeps for the children of lebanon has a cruel heart for the children of northern Israel.
    the rabbis said that Israelis in the media & the judiciary intentionally force Christian conventions on decision makers and the security apparatus of Israel
    ,and such that conventions will not defend the jews in sidirot, the north & anywhere else in ISRAEL.The solution is murder,and where this is not possible
    - & it is true that it would be risky to send cavalary soliders to gaza & lebanon now israelis have withdrawn & were kicked out of their houses, then the solution is to kill civilians.The council declared that air strikes with the intention of defence & the killing of civilians is the best solution, rather than subjecting the lives of the israeli soliders to danger ; even if others are killed as a result, your life is over and above the life of your enemy.
    In conculsion the council called on israeli government to give orders to kill civilians in lebanon and gaza. The statment indicated that torah permits the killing of children and women at times of war,& called on the Israeli government to ordrer the killing of palastinian and lebanese civilians as allies of the enemy as per instruction of the torah.

    after reading can any body tell me who is the guilty then? :confused:
    i think it is ISR*E*
     
    bashavi, Aug 21, 2006 IP
  2. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #2
    I'm not surprised.
    Two extremes are facing each other.
    We likely going to see it happen.

    Even here are so many for nukes, nothing different to the rabbis and same results.

    The muslim have had time enough to seek a diplomatic solution.
    There's a reason why iran and syria are so scarred about Israel.
     
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    Blogmaster Blood Type Dating Affiliate Manager

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    #3
    How many more threads with the same topic do we need?
     
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    #4
    WOW you're so wrong.
    Nobody says "kill civilians in lebanon and gaza".
    They say that they prefere focused attack against terrorist, but if that couldn't be done, they prefere air strikes and not ground actions that would cause soldiers killed.

    Let me ask you something, in iraq, what do you prefere? 100 iraq's civilians getting killed or 1 american soldier getting killed?
    I think most of the americans would choose 100 iraq's civilians ...
     
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    #5
    Don't feed the troll. It's against the FAQ to make more and more threads about the same thing. He is trying to pull anti Jewish propaganda as all the other extremists on this forum. No respect for rules at all!
     
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  6. Grafstein

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    #6
    Just a bloody n00b trolling and posting about the same thing.
    I think mike you have sussed him out :D
     
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    #7
    Crap translation,who gave you this?
     
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  8. roiei

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    #8
    Do you know hebrew? :confused:
     
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    #9
    yep :D
    Jewish and proud !
     
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    #10
    I once saw an interview with a former Jew who converted to Muslim. He said according to the Quran, killing children (under 16) was a blessing to them, since it was a guarantee to making it to heaven. So he was helping Jews get into heaven.

    Not promoting this idea, just wanted to point out, that this is the problem, people who are extremist and do not recognize each others right to live, and choose freely their belief system. In this example, since he converted, he said he could never 'unconvert' since the freedom has been lost, and he would be killed by his piers.

    We can't stop the hate, but can we try and stop the killing?

    tom
     
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    #11
    We need to disarm the killers.
     
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    #12
    Does that mean to take their wives and children away?:D Then they will give up ...
     
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    #13
    No, they wouldn't ...
     
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    #14
    Uh, ok dude. Except that in Israel, like most other countries, a non-government affiliated council can call on the government to do lots of things, but that does not mean they will do it. Because unlike Lebanon, the Israeli Government actually controls the country.

    I call on George Bush to blow up Iran, Iraq and Lebanon all the time. But he never listens :(

    edit: What I mean is, shut up.
     
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    #15
    That's bullshit :X
     
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    bashavi Banned

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    #16
    all above is right excepet its not under 16 becomes when the child becomes adult.
    am 16 now i wanted to be killed when i was child.i can't explain what can u have in heaven it is somthing extraordinary.everybody wants to talk about islam must read about islam not a book or two i mean good reading with good understanding and then can start to talk
     
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    #17
    i think that u r the shit itself
    i want to ask if u read about islam :confused: before talking like this asshole
     
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    #18
    And I think mohammed was gay ok?
     
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    #19
    i want to tell u that Israel is the only country in the world that the government must listen to the council
     
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    #20
    Come on now. That is not even going to help this discussion, as trite as it is.
     
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