JOIN US ON THE GAZA FREEDOM MARCH December 27—January 2!

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  1. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #21
    I'll let you jerk off over the thought of killing people esp brown ones, you think people cannot see through you but your transparent. In fact quotes like that one above shows your level of intelligence, you equate humanitarian aid and intelligent discussion and respect of human rights with "jerking off Muslims" to be that ignorant is amazing.

    That's why people dance when you're attacked, except that doesn't figure on your radar it just confirms your uninformed and ignorant views are valid or proper to have.

    You don't believe what you post, it's posted to hate and inflame, with all due respect any imbecile can do that.

    And any child can say dumbass but you really are, because you don't like it when someones applies the standards you apply to others to yourself or your country.

    I also won't report you comment although it is a personal attack, because if I were to do that, then it'll be a full time job.

    This this section is a cesspit, people don't discuss anything they just post hate, and feed off other peoples hate and also they do not follow rules.

    But it's a shame the rules are not enforced more IE bans for personal attacks, hate and for not discussing but rather diverting threads, so much that they are not even on topic (hence they get closed).
     
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  2. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #22
    Dont forget the yitzak shamir and begin who were part of the stern gang either. Those 2 were some very nice boyscouts I heard
     
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  3. ChaosTrivia

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    #23
    ziya, the Israeli "blockade" or "siege" is about 4 years old.
    The Egyptian blockade on Gaza is 30 years old.
    The Jordanian blockade on the WB is 30 years old.
    Why not demonstrate against the blockades by the Arabs first?

    Why don't you admit that much more than you worry about the Palestinians, you want Israel to disappear?

    Gaza is now ruled by Hamas. Hamas reject Israel's right to exist in any borders.
    Do you understand that demanding Israel to let people from Gaza into Israel is like demanding the USA to give members of Al-Qaeda the green card?

    If they allow this to happen, so the blockade is not that bad, isn't it?

    It wasn't so shocked when 9,000 rockets were fired from Gaza on Israeli civlians.
    Weird kind of conscience humankind has.
     
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  4. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #24
    Yes you are right that Egypt is responsible too. If you read articles , this action will push Egypt to open borders.

    It will be just one compaign. And the purpose of this act is not only breaking siege on time. This action is just a try to focus the world attention again on Gaza siege.
     
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  5. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #25
    All blockades are as bad as each other, so yea why not protest the Arabs first? Negating the fact that the blockades are at Israels request and those that support Isreal, and if the Arabs lifted them, then I'm sure they wouldn't get treated just as they do now with aid etc:rolleyes:

    No actually letting things in is not the same as out, at present nothing can get in and that what does is insufficient, medical aid, food and even crayons are denied.

    There is a balance that can be struck;

    It's not either bombs, weapons get in (so that they are able to fight), and food - or no weapons and no food.

    You can allow in what civilians need and not bombs or weapons, surely Israel being as advanced as it is can do that? It is also required by law.

    They have to, it's the pressure. The media is there it's a big event, people from across the world are there, if they say no then that will be aired worldwide along with the Palestinian and suffering, starving and death.

    Theres a comparison between rockets fire and letting civilians starve when the civilians are not firing rockets?

    But yes all Israeli aggression and Palestinian violence is wrong, it's about time you got your acts together.
     
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  6. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    #26
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    Continuing political chaos and the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip has left thousands of Palestinians isolated and cut off from needed supplies, including food, water and fuel.
    Under the terms of International Law, Israel is responsible for the well-being of the population living in Gaza as Israel controls border access and airspace. As a response to rocket attacks from Gaza into Southern Israel, Israel cut off vital services including water, electricity, gasoline and severely restricted the flow of goods. This exacerbated the already dire living conditions of the population.

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    a report by the International Middle East Center noted that the 361st medical patient died today as a result of Israel's blockade. It was a 41-year old man who needed cancer treatment. Israel literally waited till he was dead to grant permission, though he had all his forms and papers in order. On Tuesday a 13-year old boy died after also being denied access to cancer treatment by Israel.
     
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  7. ChaosTrivia

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    #27
    If you really believe that all blockades are at Israels request (and not that Israel would have been very happy to see the Palestinians go to work or maybe live in Egypt, Jordan), I have to conclude that you are mentally ill.

    Unlike India, N. korea, Africa, not even a single person starve in Gaza.
    On the other hand, the rockets do terrorize children and kill civilians. This is what they are meant to do.

    p.s. One might even say that the WB is doing "great", if you forget about the propaganda and compare the dry numbers. Of course that not as great as in Tel-Aviv, but the GDP/capita is annually 3,000$ in the WB, and 2,100$ in Egypt. In the WB nobody is starving as well, the economy grew 9% last year, and there are hundreds of millionaires.


    Israel provides all of the Palestinian needs, as much as it can.
    This is not what the Hamas demands. The propaganda got you all confused. Hamas demands something else:
    They demand that the border crossings will be open so that they could come and work (and explode themselves in buses), and this we can not do.
    Every country in the world has a right to determine which of its borders are open and which are closed. So does Israel. We don't have to give excuses for either decisions. When the Gaza did not explode in Tel Aviv, the borders were open, now they are ruled by a vicious terrorist organization, so the border is closed. It can't get any simpler than that.
    If you will ship the Palestinians food from anywhere in the world, and you are willing to subject your food delivery to inspection, the food will reach them. It is in our best interest that it will reach them. During cast lead Israel provided more than a thousands shipments of food, we even initiated a 48 hour cease fire, one-sided, to deliver foods and supplies.
     
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  8. ziya

    ziya Well-Known Member

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    National Association Of Muslim American Women (NAMAW):

     
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  9. Toopac

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    #29
    But if I claimed your just another lier, then I'm anti-semetic.;)

    Yes, Israel provides them with everything... that's why they need aid, have no fuel, have insufficient food, have destroyed sanitation systems and no electricity in hospitals and you won't let them get the supplies in they need to rebuild them after you destroyed them.

    UN chief asks Israel to end Gaza blockade; stop rights violation

    At the same time Israel is inviting and advertising for more Jews to come and take there homes, shoot at them and otherwise abuse them, destroy olive groves whilst the government is expanding settlements whilst the world says "no".

    Jordan uses EU, US to put the squeeze on Israeli settlements

    http://www.neurope.eu/articles/97346.php

    Austria: Israel undermining any peace process

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=111731&sectionid=351020202

    The Netherlands urges moratorium on Israeli settlements

    http://www.minbuza.nl/en/News/Newsf...lands_urges_moratorium_on_Israeli_settlements

    Moscow Concern over Israeli Settlement Expansion in East Jerusalem

    http://english.cri.cn/6966/2009/11/18/168s530341.htm

    Obama criticizes new Israeli move on settlements

    http://www.abcactionnews.com/...Israeli...settlements/qUD4SXNoa02e8hUJtblDIQ.cspx

    Brazil's Lula calls for Israel settlement freeze

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gfW_y-voLt9Rq977xaMR3xD4Fd-g

    Madrid reminds Israel: settlements in occupied Jerusalem 'contrary to international law'.

    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=35812

    Britain says Israeli settlements 'obstacle' to Mideast peace

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gddBy7DucwA9O8x_zFrBNgdekrSg


    If Israel were serious about peace they would stop the settlements, in fact the longer Israel don't have peace the longer they can build - Peace is not in there interest.

    And stop advertising for Israel, how much GDP they have for example is irrelevant, diverts the topic and sounds exactly like it came from Israeli Propaganda Guide.

    Quote from it:

    Israel is so rich and so strong that they fail to see why it is necessary for armored tanks to shoot at unarmed kids.

    Infact that Israel Project guide describes those that oppose Israel's crap as "more informed";)
     
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