JOIN US ON THE GAZA FREEDOM MARCH December 27—January 2!

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    Israel’s blockade of Gaza is a flagrant violation of international law that has led to mass suffering. The U.S., the European Union, and the rest of the international community are complicit.

    The law is clear. The conscience of humankind is shocked. Yet, the siege of Gaza continues. It is time for us to take action! On January 1, 2010, we will mark the New Year by marching alongside the Palestinian people of Gaza in a non-violent demonstration that breaches the illegal blockade.

    On the anniversary of the Gaza war , an international coalitioan will lead a march through Gazato pressure israli goverment to break the siege.

    To be successful this cannot simply be an isolated action but rather we must make sure that it is a campaign. One that includes education and outreach - house parties, presentations, screenings - congressional pressure, and solidarity actions

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    As I know on 6 December , convoy will leave UK (250 vehicles) . They will enter Turkey on 16 December.They are planning to enter Gaza from Egypt borders. After protests, they will leave all convoy including vehicles will ve donated to the Palestinian people.

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    Activists prepare to break Gaza blockade
    Vivienne Porzsolt, a spokesperson for Jews Against the Occupation Sydney (JAO), is one of 10 activists from NSW who will spend their summer break challenging Israel’s defiance of international law. She will take part in the international Gaza Freedom March over December-January.

    Porzsolt told Green Left Weekly she is angry about “the almost total silence by the US and its lackeys about the atrocities committed by Israel in Gaza, and the terrible loss of life and property”.


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    You can join the march or at least I call everyone , especially those who is supporting Palestine at this forum to donate for Palestine.

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    Irish activist seeks L.American support to break Gaza blockade
    A Free Gaza Movement activist on Wednesday appealed for Latin American support to break the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip.

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    Cherie Blair's sister joins battle to break Gaza blockade
    Some 46 campaigners, among them several Britons, a Holocaust survivor and an 81-year-old retired Catholic nun from the US, will make the 241-mile crossing from Cyprus in two wooden vessels at the end of the week, carrying medical supplies. The journey takes about 20 hours.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    Hey, maybe we could sneak in some rockets, mortars, and bomb making material on that convoy!
     
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    How do you sneak bombs into a prison?

    Maybe the US can airlift some bombs and Fighter Jets, so they can kill children in Tel Aviv, like the Isreali's do in Gaza with US weaponary.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    You would have to ask the Palestinians that. In America, they smuggle all kinds of weapons into prison, though those are mostly meant to be used on each other. If only the Palestinians could take a page from that book...
     
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    Palestinians are the ones that live in a prison, not guard it, that's the Israelis and there hencemen. Hence it's proper to ask Israeli's how to sneak stuff in - What are you people taught in school opposites?

    Actually they make them mostly from mundane things they are allowed like glasses/specs, pens, razors.

    Yes, maybe they could throw over the Israeli prison wall that surrounds them the 350 cows Israel is allowing them in as food and kill some oppressors.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    The word is Henchmen. Are you trying to imply that the rockets the Palestinians fire at Israel daily just "grew" in Palestine? I'll have some of what your smoking.
     
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    This thread is about humanitarian aid that is needed in Gaza, where innocent children, women and men died, and continue to die; not just by the onslaught and aggressive actions of Israel but because they are also continually starved by the blockades of Israel and there henchmen.

    Thousands of tonnes of explosives, precision guided missiles, depleted uranium munitions and white phosphorus, amongst other things, were made and shipped to the killers in Israel by your country the USA at your expense, and your bothered why they get tin-pot rockets to fight back with? Maybe send them the same munitions and then we'll know where they are from.
     
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    I see. So now you acknowledge the Palestinians are shipping in weapons. Good.

    By the way, I also don't complain that we arm our prison guards with assault rifles while the prisoners are left fabricating shanks and other various weapons from contraband. Such is the nature of the prison guard to prisoner relationship. I would feel sympathy for your would be prisoners, but they ELECTED Hamas to power. Perhaps I can still work myself up to be sympathetic for those who didnt vote for Hamas, but sadly, in a Democracy, the minority share the blessings and setbacks created by the people elected by the majority. Of course now that Hamas has done away with the Democracy, you are saddled with them for the foreseeable future. The smartest thing the Palestinians could do is throw Hamas out of power.
     
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    Hamas is getting some weapons yes, like USA gives Israel their's.

    They are not synonymous, and not all did.

    That's how Osama Bin Laden see's it, remember 9/11? Civilians dead? all justified.
     
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    Huh?



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    Reading comprehension problem I think.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension

    (The good new is apparently with education it can be remedied)

    Fox news does audio it's the nature of TV Pictures/Audio best to stick to that.
     
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    The majority did, and that is good enough.

    Justified.. how? What again was the specific thing done to Osama by the U.S. that justified the several preemptive strikes? Were we shelling his people with rocket fire? No. Oh yeah, it was because of the diplomatic relationship between the US and the Saudi government. It was because of the use of Saudi soil in the Gulf War.

    Again, your mentality and rationale explains the plight of the Palestinians very well. The funny thing is, now that you have a more sympathetic ear in the White House, Israel is feeling more cornered than ever. How Ironic that your cries for sympathy for terrorists (Hamas) may be the very thing that seals the fate of the Palestinians at the hands of Israel. One has to question the intelligence. C'est la vie. Enjoy your prison while it stands.
     
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    Exactly.

    He targeted the USA he said because you keep meddling in Muslims countries and their affairs?

    The ones meddling he says are your leaders, leaders voted by the majority of you, and as you say "the minority share the blessings and setbacks created by the people elected by the majority".

    So using your own standards it's justified anything else is hypocrisy.

    You can get help too: Reading comprehension

    A superpower with nukes? cornered? give us a break...

    Typically uninformed brain dead affront, backed by zero evidence. So no I don't support Hamas but USA supports the massacre of children in Gaza.

    It's funny for me arguing with someone who has double standards, it must irritate you.
     
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    So perceived "meddling" in the affairs of other countries, Muslim or otherwise, is just grounds to kill 3000 people in a nation that has never violently attacked you, and more than likely, sent your country billions of dollars in aid?

    Sounds like the person with the double standard is you. We have a death penalty in my state, so if I kill my friend for the offense of talking to his cat and the state decides to prosecute me, is the state being hypocritical? Get a grip. You should thank your god we don't think the way you do, or we would be carpet bombing Iran, and several other locations right now for the much more serious offense of supplying aide, arms, and comfort to enemy combatants trying to kill US soldiers on the battlefield.
     
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    Perceived meddling.

    Perceived collaboration.

    Your saying the innocents are responsible, can and should be targets, not me. Your position is untenable.

    You are saying:

    Leader (A), can massacre leader (B), and all people under that leaders authority because they as a people voted for him.

    Leader (B) would be acting improperly to massacre leader (A) or leader (A's) people under his authority even though they as a people voted for him.

    So a simple yes or no, should innocents be given aid i.e Palestinians (Not Hamas)?
     
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    Did you follow your own reading comprehension link? Let me explain it to you in small words a 5 year old can understand.

    Leader A (the US) never massacred anyone related to Osama. They simple worked with Saudi Govt. to save their asses from Sadaam. Hamas, on the other hand, has had a personal hand in massacring MANY people inside of Israel. They call regularly for Israel to be wiped from the map.

    You want to focus on the responsibility of a people to bear responsibility for their leaders actions. Fine. The actions of these two leaders are not comparable. You are trying to equate diplomacy and attempted murder. They don't equate. Somehow, I feel confident you still don't get it. Don't worry about it. Try this.

    OOooga Boooga!
     
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    Don't project your shortcomings onto me.

    Your belief that one can kill any citizen as long as they live in a democracy, because of their leaders actions is untenable (That is a terrorist)

    Are you a lunatic? [​IMG]
     
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    As noted by senior United Nations human rights and humanitarian officials, among others, the blockade of Gaza amount to collective punishment, which is prohibited under international humanitarian law. Article 33 of the Forth Geneva. Convetntion states that " No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personallyy committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or terrorism are prohibited.Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.
     
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    so by same logic, I would feel sympathy the isrelai civilians .. but hey they elected terrorists like ariel shron ..natan hahoo ... so they deserve ...!..
     
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    Case in point he has no standards, he doesn't want his country to respect International laws or human rights, nor does he have an once of humanity.

    He cannot even post as the republican that he is, which symbolizes how dishonest he is, not wonder the hypocrisy is coming out his ears.

    He cannot fathom the difference between a citizen and leader, a combatant and a non combatant. Humanitarian aid nor arms.

    Kill em all is basically his attitude.
     
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