Somali Islamists stone a woman to death for adultery

You might wanna ask a muslim that question buddy.

 

But that's their "law" just like your antiquated "law" that allows capitol punishment, torture and secret prisoners, no matter how backward I consider it it's law, and I reject all of it, just as I reject your illogical opinions

Like your probably a Christian, that's just as illogical to me as Islam.

Ask Christians why they have pedophile priests, why they visit hookers, why they gamble and ask Christians why they beat their wife lol

 

I'm not someone who gives an invisible thing credits to everything good that happened in my life. So i'll let you figure out what am i. Btw i know its a law but when living around civilized people this law should not be applied.

 

Glad we are on the same page See my death penalty thread, exactly the same thing barbarity based on law.

I can't say I've read any religious book extensively but maybe if it's not there they should of added a section for it to quench that thirst for young boys, or made it the 11th commandment or atleast put "You shall not commit adultery (nor sleep or mess around sexually with children)".

 

There is no where is the Holy Quran or Sharia where its permit pedophile, rape, killing innocents, etc and all are punishable in the Quran and Islam Law, unlike the bibles where these things are allowed.

I have challenged to provide proofs of your claims about Islam and you failed, but unlike you we do not fail

Want me to provide you with some verses for you from the bibles as proofs ?!

 

But you told that you have never read The Holy Quran ! or .. ?

 

I'm glad we are. You have a great idea. A 12th one should be added too. You should not blow yourself and kill innocent people in the name of something.

Never read bibble or the quran. My country have Christian base and have few of my friends who gives credit to something can't be prove its real. I Never heard one of them mentioned raping lil girl is part of they religion.

 

You trying to change the subject now

Want me to show some verses where in the bibles rape, killing innocents, adulteress and more are allowed which you have claimed about Islam and failed to provide any proof ?

 

I don't know where i can find a quran to quote it for you. Do you mind ship one for me

 

Still your running from the answer which is:

 

There already is "Thou shall not kill" commandment #6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments.

Didn't you even grace my thread with your views about capitol punishment? since your against barbaric acts carried out in the name of the law?

 

let's see again the part you did not understand, sorry for not being so clear, you should remember that English is not my native,

this is the part:

I hope you know the difference between a man, and a male, each man is a male but not each male is a man.

in more clear words a male is any human being who has a penis, I don't know what you call a penis? birdie? .. while a man needs LOTS more than just a penis.

a wife likes her husband to be a man, and I do not mean fulfilling her sexual desires only, but also her emotional and other needs, if her husband is a man, not a male, she won't look outside, and if somebody tried with her, then that somebody is a male, not a man, because a man, do not look at the wife of another man.

now what has this to do with stoning to death, I was replying jonas, the punishment of adultery, in Islam, and also other religions, has been discussed in details before, let me know if you need a link, but in short, the punishment is on both, the man, and the woman, not only the woman, and it requires 4 witnesses,

in other words, Islam punishes with stoning the action of making adultery public, this can be understood from requiring 4 witness, there must be 4 witnesses, 3.5 are not accepted , in this, the two who committed adultery have a chance to repent, if there was no 4 witness, while knowing it is a very serious matter, that deserve the punishment of death in that way,

now how many adultery happens with 4 witnesses around? can you guess? I will tell you, almost 0 if not 0.

yes, there are extremists, and those act based on ignorance in their religion teachings, not actually acting based on the true religion teaching which are clear in this regards.

so stoning is a punishment for married adulterer and adulteress, provided that there are 4 adult and sane witnesses, the punishment is same for the man and woman, if they are not married then 100 stripes on each.

you can read more about it here


your part finished browntwn feel free to read below if you want, for jonas, I am sorry to tell you that you are not a man, you are a male, but do not be depressed, you still can be if you want, the reason is:

it is obvious that you are confusing marriage with sex, change that look you have about women, they are not sex objects, they are smart human beings, much smarter than you are.

you also need to know that before a Muslim can marry another wife, he needs to inform his first wife, and his first wife can put a condition in the marriage contract, that he does not marry else than her, in other words, before he can marry again, he needs to have his first wife permission,

allowing men to marry more than one wife in Islam, is not for pleasure, there are else reasons, but I know since you admitted that you almost know nothing about Islam, except what you hear here and there, stereotypes ..etc so I encourage you to know more, about Islam, from a different source than "let's hate Islam together" club.

then...

obviously, you have a totally wrong idea, in Islam, your wife can divorce you even for the reason of that she does not stand you, and with such attitude you have , I m 2000% sure, no woman, whether Muslim or not, would stand you, unless if you enhanced it.

you are looking down at women, and you need to get rid of that look, before you have a relation with somebody, you think that women can't be faithful except by fear! maybe there is something wrong in you, not them, I recommend you to read the first part of my post again.

if you ignored, you are free, I m very sure, with this attitude, you will not be in a serious relation, and if it happened and you had a relation, then it is because you mislead her, and pretended to be else than you really are, and then it won't be long till she discovers, no matter how skillful you were in acting, and when she discovers she will dumb you, you will be janos the jerk, and you will whine and cry and complain how unfaithful are women, typical, there are many like you, throwing blame left and right, when the fact, you been a loser, and a jerk, it's why she dumped you, and looked for somebody else.

did you notice how alexiprotov noticed immediately what a jerk you are?
what makes you think Muslim women or any woman, would accept to be treated in that way?

after alexi wished you that ugly rape, you tried to edit, and pretend as if it was a joke you can't fool people,

before you continue with your hate against Muslims, Islam, and now women, try to stop and think of what you said, and what I said here, then read, about the rights of women in Islam, using the below link or by googling yourself, believe me when I say, there is NO Muslim woman, who will want to marry you. BECAUSE Muslim women in their most, like men, and they really do not like boys, or males like you, who thinks he can't has a faithful wife except with fear,

you know very well, that you are not worthy, so you try to make up for what you do not have, by using fear, better, is to learn how to be a man,

OK then. What are women's rights in Islam?

I also recommend you to read this:

Why European women are turning to Islam

do they want to "fear"?

 

Let me try to understand this, as I am interested in what the law precisely is.

So by all accounts it's unproven in the eyes of the law and there is no action taken? They go home etc

Then you went on to say, after that above:

Why would they need to repent if they have been proven innocent? and who to? To God privately? (because it probably happened), or to the court etc?

If they chose to repent because there was no four witnesses, hence it was unproven, then wouldn't repenting be an admission of guilt, hence found guilty anyway?

 

yes, they are considered innocent, and they are treated as innocent, nobody should ever question it if there were no 4 witnesses, but here there are two different cases,

1- if the one who made the accusations is not the spouse, the one who accused then will get punished in this case with eighty lashes:

2- if the one who made the accusations is the spouse, then:

I think the above verses answer your question, if the one who made the accusation is the spouse, and s/he did not produce 4 witnesses, then both will be asked to swear by God 4 times that s/he is telling the truth, the woman testimony here will weight more than the man, she will be considered innocent if she swear 4 times, but he won't be considered innocent even if he swear 4 times.

do they go back home after this? whether the accusations were real or not, I think life would be impossible after this, and the judge will most likely divorce them, but I m not sure about this point.

what I meant, not all cases of adultery are discovered, or go to court, those who commit it, in secret without being discovered, will know, that what they did is a serious matter, and they will have a chance to repent, and stop committing it, and be faithful to their spouses, it is clear in the use of the words of "forgive" and "mercy", while knowing, that it is something that deserve to be punished with stoning, they benefit from having the law requiring 4 witnesses.

 

Yes I see now.

Its just the repent thing got me a little as it came after you said 3.5 = innocent, I did suspect repenting would be a private thing between them and god otherwise nobody would repent even if there were 3.5 witnesses as you face whipping or death lol

 

by the way, I m not sure if you know that 3.5 is a joke? there are no 1/2 witness, I think you know, it is just my English failing me again, I meant, there must be 4 witnesses to prove it, not less.

 

I did get the joke

And there is a security guard on the Jerry Springer show that could be considered the .5 in a joking kind of way

 

I'm not running from anything my friend. What's the name your have in Islam if a 48 year old man forced a 9 year old girl to married him( can't blame him his own prophet did the same). The differences between you guys and the other religion is that before your commit the crime, they mention Allah then do the crime. What about suicide bombers go into crowd of people and denote the bomb, ain't that killing innocent people.

 

~ The above does define something that is a common thread for organized religions but maybe there is more to some people than what can be so easily defined and use to destroy them....As though the most basic people must have it their way or become 'terrorist' and kill with the backing of religion.