U.S. State Department: Israel is not a tolerant society

It was said a few days ago that Israel is very tolerant society which respects everyones rights including Arabs and Muslims (although this news piece is deeper than just Arab/Jewish relations)...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126286.html

Thought's?

And please try to stay 'on topic', no ad-hominems, no hateful bigoted posts and be respectful i.e follow the forum rules.

 

~ Five stars without a post, ACORN must be your consultant....

~ They are an organized religious state based on a frozen text that they have custom tailored to suit their particular needs as was the original reason for their banishment in the first place from the Garden of Eden and they are just repeating the same error. God attends the Garden for all its beings.

 

I must confess it was me that rated it as 5 stars, I did so because of the source (USA State Department) and the implications it has in real terms on peoples lives and their human rights - But not solely for that reason, but rather because some people do rate posts negatively because they don't like them, and being as there is a VB bug that allows only one rating, I sinned and got in first.

 

Who would treat you better if you were a foreigner in their land? Israelis or Arabs?

 

In what sense? Generally?

I suppose you mean and (correct me if I'm wrong); Arab countries would treat a foreigner just as bad as Israel? For arguments sake, I'll say possibly so, but that doesn't change how people are treated in Israel.

Israel is supposed to be better that these Arabs countries is it not?

 

This is not something new, not even from U.S. on public level, what is new is that it came from the U.S. state department, which can be read that U.S. now is closer than the majority of all world countries in their look at the so-called Israel, as a racist, apartheid entity, that rules by Zionism not democracy,

I say this is not new in U.S. because since before the illegal establishment of Israel, U.S. the liberty & freedom loving nation then, on the public level knew that they should be away from this ugly creature and not help in its creation, an example is the letter sent by Edward Reed to new york times newspaper:

and in Einstein letter despite he is Jewish, which you can find a link to it in my signature.

the liberty and freedom loving nation that turned into a war loving nation for false reasons in many cases, does not work any more in the name of rights, justice, and facts but in the name of its own benefits, which for long they saw it with Israel despite the so many incidents in which Israel proved that they do not care about U.S. but about their own benefits, and in which they proved they do not consider U.S. a friend or an ally but a donkey they ride to reach their own benefits, like in bombing USS liberty ship by Israel, bombing US civilian targets in Egypt by Israel in a false flag operation to throw the blame later on Arabs, in the 5 rejoicing Israelis spies after the first plane hit WTC and before the second plane hit the second WTC building, in the many other Israeli spies on US,

the relation that was supposed to be allies, became a relation of lobbyist pressure and interfering in U.S. foreign policy that touch the sovereignty of this declining super power, and it been expressed by some members of congress since long:

and even Israeli prime minister felt no embarrassment to say it loud in the Knesset when he reportedly yelled at Peres saying:

U.S. starting to realize that they can achieve more benefits in allying with other players in the Middle East like the 99% Muslim Turkey, and the Arabian Gulf states, and they more realized that allying with Israel will not only be a heavy weight in these times, but also the one trouble making illegal state will make them lose so many potential allies in the region in the new multi-super powers world, with the rising of China, India, Russia and Turkey.

 

Jews are a minority around the world, a majority in the neighborhoods where I live.

Many of the educated ones turn to atheism/agnosticism and are against the idea of Zion in Israel. Lots do not get Bar or B'Not Mitzvah'd but feel just as deep a connection with God.

I myself have studied Judaism, specifically Kabbalah, extensively and love debating against my Jewish friends and rabbis on their religion.

Then again, many of the wealthy Jews here, regardless of their education, fall into the claim of being a chosen people and it permeates every facet of how they live their lives and treat others. These are people that act most like aristocracy that I have seen having lived on three continents in 20 years.

Israel, the nation, was built as a home for Jews...That in itself is intolerant.
The true Zion is built within the collective hearts and minds of the True Jew; you and me who believe in doing good unto our neighbors.

We are the Jewish people of the Bible if we protect the rights of all, not the bastardized version of contemporary culture.

How little faith do people of a religion have that to be saved they must return to their physical homeland if they do not have physical origins to begin with? This is just a temporary home. Your birthplace or the birthplace of your family/faith does not necessarily mean you have a right to a life in that land.

End Vatican, Mecca, Jerusalem.

 

however the zionists are desperate to keep the momentum going in their favor by trying things like http://www.newsweek.com/id/206021 , a brazen attempt to brainwash American Public and specially the younger generation

many of the tactics mentioned in this propaganda guide are being deployed by the esteemed zionists present at this forum

http://www.newsweek.com/media/70/tip_report.pdf

 

That guide sounds exactly like mark regev's guide to spin (that Israeli spokesman that don't like being asked hard questions and gets angry), like when he spun and lied about almost everything during the Gaza onslaught whilst children were dying.

Anyone remember that liar? Mr "we don't use white phosphorus in civilian areas" - whilst it's being show raining down on civilian areas on the news screen behind him whilst being inteviewed.

 

Here are my thoughts.


Now, this came form the US Department which may change the mind of some people.

1. Obama giving speeches in Egypt about how tolerance is Islam.
2. Announcing he will withdraw from Iraq.
3. Promising he will close Guantanamo.
4. Asking the Israel to stop building and occupying Palestinian lands.
5. Getting the political (Joke) price (noble) price for peace which many other criminals have got it before.
6. And now US Department speaking bad about Israel.

All these will make a person think that the new leader of US and the USA government is now a peaceful and a just government and the old USA which we used to know are gone.

But did they withdraw from Iraq?
No, they did not yet and when they do so, it is because they cant stay there anymore.

Did they close Guantanamo?
No and if they do they have many secret prisons which i can name some.

Did they withdraw from Afghanistan?
No and if they do that it is because they are losing and cant stay there.


So, its all again another International Hollywood movie very well planned trying to change the view of the people of the new USA government since they will withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq that is because they lost and cant stay, but they can not admit they lost and the cant stay so the theater is to try make:
1. The withdrawal appear for peace intentions form the new peaceful leader and government so they would try to hide the fact that the great USA with its marines, military and technology and bla bla has lost in Afghanistan and Iraq.
2. To try minimize the hate they have gained from there acts as they are now weak and getting weaker fast and they have created to mush hate for them which now they are trying to minimize.

 

LOL
funny thread.

Arabs speaking about tolerance to others is actually as funny as it can get.

 

chaos in another "LOL" post

nice divert attempt, before you jump directly to infect threads with propaganda, read the title, it is US state department, Arabs already know this and more about Israel since tooooooo long.

 

I wonder why you have changed your location to Palestine, are you a shame to show your original country?

 

Great ..

ChaosTrivia you are from Palestine now

 

I live in Palestine, which boasts now the great state of Israel.

 

so what do you think? why did US say such a blasphemous thing about isreal ?

 

what did the US say?

 

US state department said:

So unless your a 'choosen one' a supreme being, then effectively you do not have the same rights in Jewish Israel.

 

Haaretz is a fairly credible source of news, but I found it odd that they didn't use a source.

Searching on the Internet, I found a multitude of sites just parroting back what Haaretz said, and using them as the source. Then I went to the U.S. State Department website to find the report, and found it. What Haaretz fails to mention is that it wasn't our State Dept singling out Israel to criticize. It was the 2009 Annual Report to Congress on International Religious Freedom where they analyzed every country, and they are all critical.

Toopac, I believe you're from the UK?

This is a small portion of the report about the UK: "... while Christians continued to complain about the ability to express their faith in the workplace...There were some reports of societal abuses and discrimination based on religious affiliation, belief, or practice. Violence declined in Northern Ireland. Anti-Semitic acts rose sharply in January and February 2009 during and immediately after the Israeli military action in Gaza. A significant number of "Islamophobic" incidents occurred, and public debate continued over the role of Islam in society. Representatives of other religions reported few negative religiously motivated acts."

 

Direct link http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2009/127349.htm cheers!

I am indeed.

Firstly, The UK does abuse Human Rights, for one to say they have a perfect record is just ridiculous, and they continue to do so, often most of it goes unreported. Many other countries do as well, and many other countries are far worse than the UK.

I recently put an application into the ECtHR about a serious human rights abuse for another person, I can't go into what the case is about, but it is 'evil' abuse by the government to say the least the EHRC is also involved.

Secondly about that section in the report in regard to the UK:

I'm not sure what "Christians continued to complain about the ability to express their faith in the workplace", exactly means, but it sounds like "moaning to me".

The only time I believe you show express your religion at work, is if you work for the Chruch.

I am aware that there are prayer rooms at most major businesses where people of any religion can pray or whatever, that is enough if not too much IMO.

I have no doubt there are a minority of racist people and people that have no respect for people rights or religion, however this is not the government or countries fault as it's a worldwide problem. It will happen and continue to do so. Sadly it's just human nature.

But again that section is hardly anything in comparison to Israel, which is what the topic is about.