No Justice No Peace!

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  2. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    US Armed Forces are voluntary. Why even sign the line if you aren't willing to do the time.

    War isn't a pinic but appeasement is worse!

    "War is Hell" -- General William T. Sherman

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    US soldiers raping 14 year old girls?

    What's even more scary is you will get the American nationalists on here defending them. Shocking stuff.
     
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  4. Jin

    Jin Well-Known Member

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    He is pretty proud and excited at what he did!
     
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  5. Jin

    Jin Well-Known Member

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    Do they sign for raping kids, killing civilians and stealing oil?

    And in Hell you are allowed to muster what ever sickness you can right, because its war, appeasement is neccessary!
     
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    Traditione Well-Known Member

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    The nature of a military is exactly as defined by one of the veterans against the war: They are there to destroy nations, not build them up.

    We're sacrificing humans and resources to enrich the elite back home and the fools that support them.

    Our soldiers aren't dying to protect us, they would be home if they were to protect us; they are pawns for economic gain (East India Company and the British Navy/Occupation of India) and it is OUR FAULT AS CITIZENS that we allow our boys and girls to go to slaughter for $$$$$$
     
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    I thought you guys(Muslim) don't believed in rape. Forced 5-14 years girls to marry 40-60 years men is ok for you guys. What yall called that?
     
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    If you watch the video, it was the US soldiers who were proud of raping 14 year old girls. You don't seem to bothered by this either? :eek:
     
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    It sure seems like the same stories are brought up by the same group of people over and over.

    Did a couple of soldiers rape a girl? Yes.

    What happened to them? They get punished.

    Does everyone in the military have to take blame for these 2 guys actions? Absolutely not.

    Americans in general want to see the wrong doers punished. I hope these guys spend a lot of time in jail - maybe they will get a feel of what it is liked to be raped while they are there.

    Somehow, one of these idiots in these thread will think that I think what they did is OK, or next they will swing this over and say it was Christians who are doing the raping - why? because the ignorant think all Americans are Christians by default. I know it sounds stupid, but stupid is what stupid does.
     
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    imad Peon

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    you see nothing wrong in raping a whole country based on lies?

    and you try to make this appear as an isolated incident? or "the few bad apples" after Abu Ghraib, the torture policy, black water .... etc it seems that there are "few good apples"
     
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    Imad, since you are an expert you won't mind sharing with the rest of us the percentage of criminals charged within the US military since the war in Iraq started.

    Since you are in expert in Christianity (which you probably assume is responsible for these actions) share with us the verses where Jesus tells his followers to do these things.

    You are so predictable, but not in any good way. I bet you stare at the pictures from abu ghraib on an hourly basis.
     
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    imad Peon

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    Just by asking for this, it shows the real size of the problem right there in US, or among fanatic Christians there,

    here is a video about the Christians activity, in which one feel proud for dyeing his hair with black color and hide among Iraqi Christians, if you are so sure that what you are doing is good, why the need for such sneaky ways?

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9199639716504463266#

    in the same video, a General in Pentagon, addressing a group of fanatical Christians, in his military uniform, and saying that this is a holy war, my God is bigger than their God, :)P) really? is this why your God can't attract the hearts and mind of these people except with massacres, wars and killing?

    don't get me wrong, I do not mind others to talk about their religion, but to cause all this suffer to these people, just so you can later play that you are helping them, with some cartoons of food, in which there is a copy of the bible? hmm, shows how much stupid is the mentality behind this, which is the same mentality that was behind crusades, you expect that something would change after hundreds of years, but nah, nothing has changed, and nothing will change either regarding the end, by them getting defeated, after so many campaigns,

    by the way, good luck converting people there, you will need it ;)

    I like how you picked your words: "the percentage of criminals charged within the US military"

    by using such words, it tells me that you are aware of the crimes there, since you did not ask, "what is the percentage of US soldiers who should be charged with crimes"

    because as you know, only those who are discovered, are charged, example is in ABu Ghraid, top US officials and so many soldiers knew what been going on there and participating in it, but they did nothing, till some journalist published the pictures, only then they set the play scenes to trial some soldiers, in a try to shine the suffering image of US and its military.

    another example, is blackwater tries to bribe witnesses:

    Iraq probes 'Blackwater bribes'

    if you need to be fair, then every US official, or millitary, should be punished, and here is why:

    WAR CRIMES
    A Report on United States War Crimes Against Iraq to the Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes Tribunal
    by Ramsey Clark and Others


    for the other part of your post:

    thank for the compliment maybe? lol it does not need an expert to know these, it just need a quick search in bible, that can be done online:

    Jesus said ( according to new testament):

    "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." Matthew 10:34-37

    "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." Luke 12:51-53

    "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name". Exodus 15:3

    "He that is not with me is against me." Luke 12:30 does this one remind you with something?

    CNN.com - 'You are either with us or against us' - November 6, 2001

    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2 John 7

    and so many more .. here

    maybe this is why Voltaire said this sentence:

     
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    Imad, you find one or two bad things about something and then condemn the whole thing
     
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    Jin Well-Known Member

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    I did not see it before, you should not complain about abuse which is brought forward and showed to world.

    Where there are 100s of thousands of troops and when there are lack of ethics, gross misconduct is obvious. Please refrain from saying couple of soldiers raped a girl and act like it was nothing. Its more than obvious, there must have been tons of such cases which have never been brought forward.

    They got punished? not that i don't appreciate this act, but i would like to see some proofs.


    Where there are good guys, there are bad guys too, however, in a war like situation, a man can become an animal, they went their for destruction, not for distributing candies and gifts as if they were santas!

    I agree, an average american with good head on his/her shoulder would not want this to happen.

    American army has people from all religions, i am sure there are a lot of atheists in there as well, so blaming christanity would be inane. Blaming Bush would be a right thing tho!
     
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    So what your're trying to say that is wrong if foreigners did it, but ok for Muslims. This kind of stuff is wrong no matter who did it.
     
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    That's what i'm saying, it's wrong if anyone does it but on here it seems if an American does it, people will defend it? :eek:
     
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    Really? Who defends it?

    It's not like we have a leader who has sex with 8 year olds and since he is our leader we say it must be ok then.
     
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    You haven't condemned it, i'm not surprised really.
     
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    The oil is paid for and wrongdoers are punished by the military. The Islamic terrorists use civilians as human shields or kill thousands of civilians with car bombs.

    Who do you think you are Chamberlain? Appeasement is neccessary:(
     
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    Thanks for pointing this out to me, thanks man i really did find out a lot of new stuff.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/02/israel1

    Interesting huh?
     
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